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06-07-2013, 09:56 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 09:49 AM)Dom Wrote:  Are we going to put up a side forum and solve this crap already or what?

I thought you men were the "fix it" people, and women were the talkers.

Why is there no talk of solutions?

WTF is the matter with everyone?

No talk of solutions? Don't forget you can't actually see the FTM section. There actually are discussions but we tend to consider various options in detail, weigh up pros and cons, and weight for everyone to have their input before we just jump into an idea. That's what's happening.

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06-07-2013, 09:59 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 09:56 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 09:49 AM)Dom Wrote:  Are we going to put up a side forum and solve this crap already or what?

I thought you men were the "fix it" people, and women were the talkers.

Why is there no talk of solutions?

WTF is the matter with everyone?

No talk of solutions? Don't forget you can't actually see the FTM section. There actually are discussions but we tend to consider various options in detail, weigh up pros and cons, and weight for everyone to have their input before we just jump into an idea. That's what's happening.

Well, members are tearing each other apart here. It won't be long and we have a mass exodus. Is that really necessary and wanted?

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06-07-2013, 10:08 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 09:59 AM)Dom Wrote:  Well, members are tearing each other apart here. It won't be long and we have a mass exodus. Is that really necessary and wanted?

Firstly, I've always said that there are many other atheism forums for people who don't want free speech. Maybe that is what's happening now. Stark always said this place isn't for everyone.

Secondly, whether this section happens or not I have no doubt it would have made little difference to this issue. Most people here have demonstrated an inability to ignore threads they don't like (not just on this but on other stuff too), why would a section be any different?

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06-07-2013, 10:15 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 10:08 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 09:59 AM)Dom Wrote:  Well, members are tearing each other apart here. It won't be long and we have a mass exodus. Is that really necessary and wanted?

Firstly, I've always said that there are many other atheism forums for people who don't want free speech. Maybe that is what's happening now. Stark always said this place isn't for everyone.

Secondly, whether this section happens or not I have no doubt it would have made little difference to this issue. Most people here have demonstrated an inability to ignore threads they don't like (not just on this but on other stuff too), why would a section be any different?

Because it would carry a warning in the description. People would have to make a decision to enter, instead of falling right into it. No one can be pissed off because anything is shoved in their face. And because of Google!

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06-07-2013, 10:15 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
I think a section to effectively dump posts people don't like will just cause more trouble.
You'd be better off just tightening moderation and closing said threads and because that's not gonna happen I don't see this proposed dumping ground sub forum being a way to deal with the issues in question.

The only solution to the issue is to tighten moderation, and as has been said multiple times, that aint gonna happen.
It might happen when Hughsie is the only one on the forum because everyone else has left and it occurs to him that perhaps tighter moderation may have been the best solution to all the forums problems. BUUUUT, that time is no upon us, so..

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06-07-2013, 10:18 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 09:43 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 09:20 AM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  Fuck off with that condescending comment about making a mistake. Fact check? Do you want me to post screenshots of simgiran's posts? 5 fucking posts unrelated to pedophilia in a sea of pedophilia posts not in one, but TWO separate topics on the same subject. I made no mistake. I don't consider that a contribution in any shape or form. That's just him posting a few here and there outside of pedophilia AFTER HE GOT CALLED OUT FOR THAT SHIT. Or perhaps you want me to post screenshots of people calling him out for his constant pedophilia postings?

And for Christ's sake, shut the fuck up about the legal bullshit regarding porn. Funny you keep telling me that we covered this, but I covered that legal bullshit. You can't seem to get it into your thick fucking skull that it was a tool to compare it to pedophilia. Here, let me take your exact words and just replace "porn" with "pedophiles." Then maybe you'll get a fucking hint.

"...allowing pedophiles, even in a subsection reflects badly on the Thinking Atheist community. Supplying, harboring, and being a middleman for pedophiles is not something that TTA should be doing from a PR standpoint. Plus, that admins are in control, essentially, its their say."

P fucking R standpoint. You and I fucking agree on something. We care about this site's P flying baby panda shit R. What's wrong with you man? You think porn is bad PR but pedophiles aren't? What in the butt butt fuck man? That's just cray cray to me. You and I know very well that people with this affliction can live a normal life with. We agree on that. But from a P nut butter and R sandwich standpoint, it's a fucking (I love this word right now) nightmare. Go into a school and yell "PEDOPHILE" and look at the reaction. Then look those kids and teachers square in the eyes and explain to them how pedophiles have a certain sexual preference and that they shouldn't judge them.

Give me a break with the sexual preference analogy. I've said this over and over. YOU CANNOT COMPARE PEDOPHILIA TO NORMAL SEXUALITY. Pedophiles don't have the luxury that is afforded to the rest of us. Can they flirt with kids? Nope. Can they date kids? Nope. Can they make any attempt to get into a kid's pants? Nope. Can they look at kiddy porn? Nope. Can they go to a state where kid prostitution is legal and pay for sex with kids? Nope.

But I can do all of the above when it comes to women. But you're right, it's a pedophilia is just a sexual preference like homo/hetero/bi-sexuality. They are the same as the rest of us.

This time, I do not apologize for my profanity. I am stone cold sober. Now I'm just irritated. I hate when people toss that fucking lame ass "check your facts" bullshit at me because they can't defend their stance any better.

So then what's the difference between Simgiran and say Theword. Simgiran makes you uncomfortable because of what he claims to be and what he says, yet Theword comes here and spews hate vitriol and lies yet he's ok lets ban the one that has yet to insult anyone because we don't like what he is. It doesn't matter if that is the only thing he has ever posted about he has not violated any forum rules by discussing it. You can make a case that someone coming out of a horrible family situation seeing someone like Theword telling them they are stupid and going to burn in hell is traumatic but I have never seen the kind of reaction to that kind of abuse that these two have gotten on a board that claims to be pro-free speech.

If you want a heavily censored board where only the party line is allowed there are tons of forums out there that do exactly that. Try Atheismplus, their mods swing the banhammer freely. Word of warning however if you say anything that is not in lockstep you might just get that ban. What I don't get is why everyone wants to take practically the only forum that doesn't do that and remove the one thing that makes it special. If it means we occasionally have to deal with a few undesirables so be it. America's free speech policy means the WBC can exist but it also means that anywhere they go to protest with their hate they are met with an even larger crowd of people telling them they are wrong and mocking them. That is the ideal don't like what someone says then tell em why they are wrong. Silencing a voice by fiat is the weakest form of argument and an admission that you can not successfully argue the facts. Do I agree with what either Ethan or Simgiran are saying, no and I have told them that. However I do think they have a right to say it and to be consistent on this board they should not be banned. Free speech > hurt feelings

For me, this isn't about hurt feelings. I even urged one of the affected to let her rationality triumph over judgment. I even told the pedophiles I'd happily share a drink with them at a bar and I'm 100% sincere in that. After all, psychology fascinates me. But I dare not ever trust them around my children or any other child.

Theword? I am not familiar with him. But from your explanation, he is exercising free speech. He spews hate? Free speech. He lies? Free will. Simgiran and Ethan saying they are pedophiles? Confession. Confession about a condition that is neither healthy nor safe for children. Confession about a condition that is widely misunderstood. Say the word "pedophile" to a stranger and ask them what comes to mind.

Therein lies my whole point. If you guys are prepared for this forum to get that type of reaction from people once they see pedophiles, so be it. It's already too late for some anyway. Members have quit over this (we'll see if this holds out though, this place is like crack). Just like how you don't walk into an Atheist forum expecting porn, you don't walk in there expecting confessed pedophiles being a part of the community. You do however expect, in any forum really, angry people and trolls.

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06-07-2013, 10:19 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 09:59 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 09:56 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  No talk of solutions? Don't forget you can't actually see the FTM section. There actually are discussions but we tend to consider various options in detail, weigh up pros and cons, and weight for everyone to have their input before we just jump into an idea. That's what's happening.

Well, members are tearing each other apart here. It won't be long and we have a mass exodus. Is that really necessary and wanted?

I only tore into other members because I find their posts to be riddled with nonsense, wrong facts, and worse, the inability to apologize when they say something that is unjustified.

What was even worse were some of the PMs I got, what a fucking load of crock some of those were! Jesus, I didn't know people could be this ignorant.

The forum hasn't stood still because of this issue, Dom. People are posting in other sections, or have you failed to notice? I proposed solutions, backed others up, and am now focused on correcting the nonsense my fellow users spew out. Drinking Beverage

Remember which side flew the shit first Dom. And even though I flew shit too, there was a rationality in there, and nobody argued against me on that issue.

Also, nobody has wished the death of a person who wishes for these two to leave, too bad I can't say the same thing about them. Drinking Beverage

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06-07-2013, 10:21 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 10:15 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 10:08 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  Firstly, I've always said that there are many other atheism forums for people who don't want free speech. Maybe that is what's happening now. Stark always said this place isn't for everyone.

Secondly, whether this section happens or not I have no doubt it would have made little difference to this issue. Most people here have demonstrated an inability to ignore threads they don't like (not just on this but on other stuff too), why would a section be any different?

Because it would carry a warning in the description. People would have to make a decision to enter, instead of falling right into it. No one can be pissed off because anything is shoved in their face. And because of Google!

How does one "Fall into" opening a thread?

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06-07-2013, 10:21 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 10:15 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  I think a section to effectively dump posts people don't like will just cause more trouble.
You'd be better off just tightening moderation and closing said threads and because that's not gonna happen I don't see this proposed dumping ground sub forum being a way to deal with the issues in question.

The only solution to the issue is to tighten moderation, and as has been said multiple times, that aint gonna happen.
It might happen when Hughsie is the only one on the forum because everyone else has left and it occurs to him that perhaps tighter moderation may have been the best solution to all the forums problems. BUUUUT, that time is no upon us, so..

It wouldn't be "dumping posts you don't like". Everyone has different posts they don't like. It would be more for incendiary topics that have nothing to do with atheism or theism. I think it would be well frequented by some, and avoided by others. It's just a better and easier way for people to avoid things than the ignore button.

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06-07-2013, 10:26 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 10:21 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 10:15 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  I think a section to effectively dump posts people don't like will just cause more trouble.
You'd be better off just tightening moderation and closing said threads and because that's not gonna happen I don't see this proposed dumping ground sub forum being a way to deal with the issues in question.

The only solution to the issue is to tighten moderation, and as has been said multiple times, that aint gonna happen.
It might happen when Hughsie is the only one on the forum because everyone else has left and it occurs to him that perhaps tighter moderation may have been the best solution to all the forums problems. BUUUUT, that time is no upon us, so..

It wouldn't be "dumping posts you don't like". Everyone has different posts they don't like. It would be more for incendiary topics that have nothing to do with atheism or theism. I think it would be well frequented by some, and avoided by others. It's just a better and easier way for people to avoid things than the ignore button.

Last time I checked 80% of the forum's posts are non-a/t related...

What threads are you referring too? The pedo thread is in the right section, under health and such. And because I know it's that thread you're talking about, it's because you/people don't like it. Thus, dumping ground for threads people don't like.

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