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06-07-2013, 10:55 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 10:52 AM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  ... that I'm -not- okay with people who want to hurt children. Whether they have done it or not.

Okay. But that is not a thing anybody said.

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06-07-2013, 10:55 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 10:39 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Once upon a time this:

"Pedophilia is not a normal sexual orientation and cannot be compared to actual normal attractions. It is a disorder. In fact, that very reason alone should knock off pedophilia as a sexual orientation. It should be considered a handicap like any other disorder."

was said about gay people.

Yup. I covered that with the "Now if you're going to argue that being attracted to children is not a handicap or disorder, then that's an entirely different debate."

And as controversial as it may seem, I believe homosexuality and bisexuality are handicaps (non-detrimental). I believe their brains are wired differently. However, I am adamant about giving them equal rights. It's love between two adults.

So if you want to argue the gay thing and compare it to pedophilia, be prepared to say you're okay with giving them rights to love children. Can we ever imagine a world like that? I personally hope that never comes to fruition. Kids aren't mentally developed like adults. No comparison here.

BTW, I've always thought of gays as equals even though I grew up a Korean (gays not accepted) American (gays not accepted) Catholic (gays not accepted). I've never once considered pedophilia to be a similar situation as homosexuality.

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06-07-2013, 10:56 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 10:39 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 10:36 AM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  No, you cannot defend your stance. I have constantly been comparing the ban on porn to pedophilia. You constantly come back at me with the stupid legal crap. I said put an age verification on it then in a sub-forum. Here, how about this. Hypothetically speaking. You make a porn only section with an age verification on it.

Now tell me why you don't want porn in here, but you want to allow pedophiles to remain. We aren't talking about how these two are conducting themselves. We are talking about image. PR as you said.

Can you finally get the picture I'm trying to paint for you?

Pedophilia is not a normal sexual orientation and cannot be compared to actual normal attractions. It is a disorder. In fact, that very reason alone should knock off pedophilia as a sexual orientation. It should be considered a handicap like any other disorder. Except that this particular handicap has a shit ton of possible legal issues surrounding it.

Let me ask you something... if someone is retarded, do you consider them to have normal intelligence like the rest of albeit not as smart as most? What about someone that suffers from clinical depression. Do you say they experience regular emotions like the rest of us, just that they experience more anger and sadness than most? I'm guessing no. I'm guessing you classify those people as having a disorder... a handicap. Now if you're going to argue that being attracted to children is not a handicap or disorder, then that's an entirely different debate.

This is getting boring...

Once upon a time this:

"Pedophilia is not a normal sexual orientation and cannot be compared to actual normal attractions. It is a disorder. In fact, that very reason alone should knock off pedophilia as a sexual orientation. It should be considered a handicap like any other disorder."

was said about gay people.


Muffs, seriously......you compare being gay to diddling children.

One group is two consenting adults...the other is a grown ass person forcing themselves ON A CHILD.
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06-07-2013, 10:56 AM
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06-07-2013, 11:01 AM
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Dear diary:

Today I learned that people, unsurprisingly, don't like pedophiles. Perhaps it wasn't a bad idea to kidnap them and put them in my slave labor mines after all.

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06-07-2013, 11:02 AM
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And yes, as someone who was a victim of a pedo..... I do take this VERY personally.
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06-07-2013, 11:02 AM
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(06-07-2013 10:56 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  [Image: 3v36ow.jpg]

LoL. But wrong section... that belongs in the conspiracy theory section.

About the legal issues with porn and me being unclear... I had long forgotten about that legal rule to porn on websites. Thus it came up. My initial premise was clear if you consider the fact that I was completely ignorant of the legal issues. Thus I had to work around my mistake by positing the age verification thing.

No seriously, I'm not an idiot. Porn can be had anywhere. That's not the point. I'm not even the first one that mentioned the porn thing. I think it was Anjele? I was just saying her porn analogy was a sound one. But her and I both were thinking of the porn ban as being for the better of the minors around here. Apparently, it's mainly because of the legalities.

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06-07-2013, 11:02 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 10:55 AM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  And as controversial as it may seem, I believe homosexuality and bisexuality are handicaps (non-detrimental). I believe their brains are wired differently. However, I am adamant about giving them equal rights. It's love between two adults.

Okay. But a handicap is by definition detrimental...

(06-07-2013 10:55 AM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  So if you want to argue the gay thing and compare it to pedophilia...

That is indeed silly. There's a clear difference in the nature of the thing...


But:
Condemning and insulting someone for their thoughts - thoughts they did not choose to have and have no control over - is something I, at least, find very uncomfortable.

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06-07-2013, 11:06 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
When did I compare being gay to being a pedophile?
I was simply stating a fact.

I'm not saying yay for pedophiles, I am saying that, like gay people, they were born that way. They were born with an attraction to kids.
And I am asking, is it really fair to bash them for the way they were born? I'm not saying let them teach in a primary school, I am saying that you shouldn't be so hard on them for simply being born that way.
Why I bring up the gays is because once upon a time homosexuality was once upon a time viewed exactly the same way you'll are viewing this here now. I'm not saying give them the right to go out and do what catholic priests do best, I am saying that rather then judge and discriminate, why not try to see it from their perspective and have a little more sympathy?
IMO, if it is more widely accepted that some people have attraction to kids and it's seen as say the same way depression is seen, as a disorder (as Noah likes to put it) then perhaps 'treatment' (therapy I guess) would be more available/accepted.

What I'm trying to say is, it's better to have things out in the open and up front, then suppressed closed away. If attraction to children is so mocked and hated as it is, then people will feel ashamed etc.. and try to suppress that. That is when you have problems. It's better for people to be able to come forward with shit like this.

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06-07-2013, 11:06 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 11:02 AM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  And yes, as someone who was a victim of a pedo..... I do take this VERY personally.

And you have every right to be offended, just as they have every right to say what they want.

However, you can not say that your abuse is a reason to justify their expulsion here. Not saying you have, but its just a given. Nor can you say that your feelings are justification for this topic to be closed down.

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