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06-07-2013, 11:07 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
Remember, we are talking about attraction here, not action.
Two completely different things.

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06-07-2013, 11:09 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 10:52 AM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 12:01 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  See... this... this right here I don't get... same with DT.

I just don't understand how a forum can become "tainted" by doing the EXACT same thing it's done since its inception.

For what it's worth, my crappy, no-good Christian opinion is this:

Anyone who has to "leave" or "walk away" from this place due to others expressing their own freedom of speech are hypocrites.

So much tolerance is preached by atheists... so many complaints of religious people being bigoted towards atheist because of their expressed view.

So what now? Because someone expressed a view that you disgree with, you leave? As nauseating as the view is, does that person not have the right to express it? Why are you entitled to your views and beliefs, but he is not?

The argument can be made that he is a predtor preying on children, but who are you to judge him? Especially, when there is no tangible evidence to support his claim. And, even if there was, that's for a court to decide, not some person on a forum.

If someone's freedom of speech evokes such an emotional response from you - especially considering the fact that it's only textual and not visual or incidental - then you may want to reconsider your own notion of tolerance.

You also may want to reconsider how an emotional response is evoked from you when prejudice is laid on you by the religious due to your beliefs.

DT and Hobbitgirl, I like both of you, and for all intents and purposes, I would consider you friends. I am not trying to "call you out" or attacking you, I simply want to shed a light on what seems to be a double standard among the atheist community.

And not just this pedo thing, I've addressed this issue many, many times. Online atheists, in GENERAL, are some of the biggest advocates for free speech until someone expresses a contrary view; they are then quick to cry for some sort of action be taken against the offender.

Again, I'm just a novelty around these part, so take my opinion with a grain of salt... it's just how I see it.

I am not a hypocrite. If you look through the threads from my posts, you will see that I am a very tolerante and accepting person. Moreso than a LOT of you.

I'm a very loving and open person. At least I like to think so. I'm okay with a lot of things. A LOT. But everyone has their limits. Fact it.....that I'm -not- okay with people who want to hurt children. Whether they have done it or not.

I fully believe in freedom of speech, and I fully believe that we are too pc and people get offended too easily. But I also believe that with freedom comes responsibility.

For me......Being around people who have desire to do things to children...thats my line.

And honestly, I'm getting really tired of being told what an awful person I am for having different opinions myself on here recently, and then getting yelled at for not agreeing with this.

And of course I consider you a friend KC. Its gonna be terrible to leave the people I care about on here if i decide to do that.

But perhaps thats a good thing for the forums. I don't really fit the kind of people that fit in the popular group here. Smile I'm sorry you guys feel I'm not a quality member. Honestly thats your loss

When in the flying fuck did he say you were not a quality member?

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06-07-2013, 11:09 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
Yes I get it. My opinion is not important and fuck me as someone who was once asked at 5 if I want to find out what adults do at nighttime. But we better be nice to them.

Gotcha.

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06-07-2013, 11:11 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 11:02 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Okay. But a handicap is by definition detrimental...

No sir. By definition, that is ONE of the points.

Read the bold.
handicap /hand·i·cap/ (han´dĭ-kap) any physical or mental defect, congenital or acquired, preventing or restricting a person from participating in normal life or limiting their capacity to work.

Homosexuals cannot live a normal life. A "normal" life means they can reproduce. They can't. I'm speaking strictly in terms of biology. Other than that technicality, there is nothing else about them that's not normal. This is why this theory is controversial. People hear words like "not normal" or "handicap" and they get a bad impression. Kind of like when people hear words like "pedophile."

(06-07-2013 11:02 AM)cjlr Wrote:  But:
Condemning and insulting someone for their thoughts - thoughts they did not choose to have and have no control over - is something I, at least, find very uncomfortable.

I did not ever insult the pedophiles. If I did, that was never my intent. I made my feelings clear to them. Also, I'm perfectly fine with what you are saying here. But I'm going to expect consistency in the future if cases like this arise. Again, this sets a precedent and the gates open up for similar people to come in.

I honestly wonder what your guys' reaction would have been if these were not pedophiles, rather people who confessed to fantasizing about roasting babies and eating them like chicken. I can't take your word for it now so don't bother saying you would have acted the same. Neither you nor I know that because it didn't happen.

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06-07-2013, 11:12 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 11:09 AM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  Yes I get it. My opinion is not important and fuck me as someone who was once asked at 5 if I want to find out what adults do at nighttime. But we better be nice to them.

Gotcha.

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Dont worry. I'll stop offending them. Because I havent already not gone into that thread in spoken my mind out of TRYING to do the right thing.

Person A is not Person B.

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06-07-2013, 11:13 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 11:07 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Remember, we are talking about attraction to children with underdeveloped brains, not attraction to adults who can consent with proper logic rather than being brainwashed (for the most part).
Two completely different things.

Fixed.

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06-07-2013, 11:16 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 11:13 AM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 11:07 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Remember, we are talking about attraction to children with underdeveloped brains, not attraction to adults who can consent with proper logic rather than being brainwashed (for the most part).
Two completely different things.

Fixed.

Again, fantasy =/= (not equal) action.

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06-07-2013, 11:17 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 11:16 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 11:13 AM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  Fixed.

Again, fantasy =/= action.

Again, I did not ever imply that. At most, I implied that they pose a greater risk of action. Which is true.

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06-07-2013, 11:19 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
Quote:Homosexuals cannot live a normal life. A "normal" life means they can reproduce. They can't.

Actually, they are biologically still capable of having a baby...

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06-07-2013, 11:20 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 10:36 AM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  No, you cannot defend your stance. I have constantly been comparing the ban on porn to pedophilia. You constantly come back at me with the stupid legal crap. I said put an age verification on it then in a sub-forum. Here, how about this. Hypothetically speaking. You make a porn only section with an age verification on it.

Now tell me why you don't want porn in here, but you want to allow pedophiles to remain. We aren't talking about how these two are conducting themselves. We are talking about image. PR as you said.


The simple fact that we allow free speech is a positive, and the fact that we are disagreeing with them and offering up counterpoints will show the onlooker that we do not accept their views, we merely allow their views to be shared.

However, as for the porn (which I was fully willing to let go, but now I must bring it back up to address you), it is something that Seth and the admins need to figure out themselves, I do not speak for them. However, it is seen as a negative considering that Seth has an attitude towards tolerance and Free Speech, but not pornography. I never said that porn SHOULD NOT be on here, all I said was that it was illegal, and the proper measures to enact it is up for the mods to decide.

Quote:Can you finally get the picture I'm trying to paint for you?
I saw the picture, it was just wrong, in my opinion.

Quote:Pedophilia is not a normal sexual orientation and cannot be compared to actual normal attractions. It is a disorder. In fact, that very reason alone should knock off pedophilia as a sexual orientation. It should be considered a handicap like any other disorder. Except that this particular handicap has a shit ton of possible legal issues surrounding it.

Notice how I said "Sexual preference." And so did the forum rules. I didn't say it was an orientation.
Quote:Let me ask you something... if someone is retarded, do you consider them to have normal intelligence like the rest of albeit not as smart as most? What about someone that suffers from clinical depression. Do you say they experience regular emotions like the rest of us, just that they experience more anger and sadness than most? I'm guessing no. I'm guessing you classify those people as having a disorder... a handicap. Now if you're going to argue that being attracted to children is not a handicap or disorder, then that's an entirely different debate.

This is getting boring...

Like it or not, pedophilia is a sexual preference. No matter how many times you repeat that it isn't.

Pedophiles sexually prefer children.

Therefore, pedophiles have a sexual preference.

People with any sexual preference are allowed on this forum, even sexual preference towards children.

They are not, however, allowed to act on them.

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