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06-07-2013, 03:07 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 02:52 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 02:29 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Fair enough.

Everyone is very heated about this because it hits on 2 of our core values. Protection of children and freedom of speech. For most healthy normal people these are 2 of the most important things in the world. I can't really criticise those who place the former higher than the latter but for me and a few others freedom of speech is the most important thing.

Of all the things that religion does that hurts people not allowing discussion is the most harmful because at that point they can spin their lies unopposed. Authoritarian Governments are much the same way, restrict even the right to think unapproved thoughts and you can control people for whatever means you wish. It begins with small things "Don't Offend people" "Don't question things that you need not worry about" until the wall of things not allowed grows to include anything not pre-approved. I realize not every slippery slope actually leads to the worst case scenario but how can I criticise others for censoring dissenting views if I do the same. It is not popular speech that need protection, it is the unpopular speech, the dissenting voice, the outsider, for when those voices are silenced then does true tyranny begin.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

I already said "fair enough" which means I understand your and DL POV.

Please and I'm asking nicely to leave me out of it.


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06-07-2013, 03:15 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
Trust me, I get all that both of you are saying. I'm just separating Internet forum culture from real-world culture. They are two completely different things in my mind. I do not believe an Internet forum needs to allow freedom of speech to the fullest. And this forum is already censoring one thing... porn. In the rules section, this is what's said about porn:

"We have users from all age groups here, porn and nudity are not appropriate."

I have a problem with that statement. Taking that statement at face value, rather than the actual knowledge that this forum bans it for legal reasons, something doesn't add up. How can porn be deemed inappropriate, but not pedophilia? Is it because the pedophiles can't post pictures? I'd like to say they have painted vivid enough images in my head with their ramblings. That's just as good as a picture. If they elicit those types of thoughts in me, they can elicit the same images in a minor's head.

Sorry I keep bringing the porn thing up, but it's right there in the rules section. So how about you guys add the REAL reason why porn isn't allowed here in the rules? Then I can say nothing about the pedophiles other than I personally think that it is distasteful. As long as the rules state something is bannable because it is "inappropriate," in my mind I'm gonna think "Well, there's very little that's more inappropriate to than the thought of pedophiles participating in a forum alongside minors." Though they did point out that the kids would have to be much younger than the ones that are likely here (which made me cringe by the way).

Please, don't explain the porn situation to me again. I'm asking you explain that in the rules IF you choose to let the pedophiles remain.

I hope we can all work around this drama. I hope a solution is around the corner.

By the way, I think Seth has a most interesting podcast subject at hand.

"Hi, I'm an Atheist pedophile."

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06-07-2013, 03:15 PM (This post was last modified: 06-07-2013 03:21 PM by Anjele.)
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
I will be interested to hear how feelings change when one is actually a parent. As Cantor talked about, and others echoed, protecting one's children is a primal thing for most people. And I think Cantor used the word "mother" but it could have been replaced with parent.

Recently a man hit my daughter and slammed her face into the side of her car...I was in a full murderous rage and I make no apologies for it. Even though she is an adult, she is my child. Do I trust him around the kids...hell no...has he ever thought of hurting them, not that I am aware of but he has shown a tendency toward violence. I am on full alert and ready to step in if it happens again.

If one of these 'confessed' innocent' pedophiles was around the kids, I would go into full on protection mode the second I found out.

Edited to correct...Johnny said parent, Ato said mother.
--Ato said woman or women...my bad.

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06-07-2013, 03:26 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
A lot of y'all seem to be misinterpreting what people like A2, Hughsie, and me are saying.

We don't at ALL agree with or condone a pedo. In fact, I find it horrible. I would probably go to jail for murder if one of them touched my kids.

We are supporting free speech. As much as his views, likes, and wants are disturbing, sick, and illegal; he is entitled to them as well as being entitled to express them.

Just like James Holmes is innocent until proven guilty... he is also entitled to a fair trial. Why? Because these are freedoms that have been bestowed upon us. The pedo's free speech falls under this category as well.

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06-07-2013, 03:34 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
Trying to explain the extreme reaction KC...we don't need a group beating over the head with the whole "free speech" thing refrain.

However, no one should be required to explain why it is bothersome when they think about this in context of their kids or the people here that had to deal with abuse in their pasts.

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06-07-2013, 03:37 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
Sometimes I forget that you are a theist, until you say things like:


(06-07-2013 03:26 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Because these are freedoms that have been bestowed upon us.

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06-07-2013, 03:41 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 03:26 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  A lot of y'all seem to be misinterpreting what people like A2, Hughsie, and me are saying.

We don't at ALL agree with or condone a pedo. In fact, I find it horrible. I would probably go to jail for murder if one of them touched my kids.

We are supporting free speech. As much as his views, likes, and wants are disturbing, sick, and illegal; he is entitled to them as well as being entitled to express them.

Just like James Holmes is innocent until proven guilty... he is also entitled to a fair trial. Why? Because these are freedoms that have been bestowed upon us. The pedo's free speech falls under this category as well.

I know you aren't singling me out, but I've gotten it from the beginning. Refer to my post above. This is an Internet forum. This isn't the real world. Freedom of speech does not have to be honored to the fullest on a forum. If you want to mimic the real world, you're going to have to let a lot of shit fly in terms of free speech. Do you guys really want that?

Nigger, spick, chink, cracker, wetback, and mutha effin towel heads.

Freedom of speech bro, I can say those things.

I like to fantasize about raping baby pandas. There's just something so sexy about that white and black ass. Oh yea...

Freedom of speech bro.

I like to tug the red rockets of dogs... ooh yea, so shiny... hot.

Freedom of speech bro.

So all of that is fair game right? Man, every day, EVERY DAY, I just want to punch a baby in their face. I want to punch babies until their little tiny skulls are decimated.

Freedom of speech bro.

Will you guys ever draw the line? Is EVERYTHING fair game? That's the answer I want and that is not clear in the rules. All it mentions is that anything goes preceeded by the mention that this forum allows more than others. That obviously denotes some type of limitation. What is the limitation? I dunno. But so far, I know one of those limitations don't involve pedophilia.

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06-07-2013, 03:46 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 03:26 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  A lot of y'all seem to be misinterpreting what people like A2, Hughsie, and me are saying.

We don't at ALL agree with or condone a pedo. In fact, I find it horrible. I would probably go to jail for murder if one of them touched my kids.

We are supporting free speech. As much as his views, likes, and wants are disturbing, sick, and illegal; he is entitled to them as well as being entitled to express them.

Just like James Holmes is innocent until proven guilty... he is also entitled to a fair trial. Why? Because these are freedoms that have been bestowed upon us. The pedo's free speech falls under this category as well.

So my right to free speech doesn't apply? I don't have the same right to dissent without fear of being ripped apart? And I feel that I can't even discuss my own feelings with the very people I would have run to in the past.


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06-07-2013, 04:31 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 03:46 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 03:26 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  A lot of y'all seem to be misinterpreting what people like A2, Hughsie, and me are saying.

We don't at ALL agree with or condone a pedo. In fact, I find it horrible. I would probably go to jail for murder if one of them touched my kids.

We are supporting free speech. As much as his views, likes, and wants are disturbing, sick, and illegal; he is entitled to them as well as being entitled to express them.

Just like James Holmes is innocent until proven guilty... he is also entitled to a fair trial. Why? Because these are freedoms that have been bestowed upon us. The pedo's free speech falls under this category as well.

So my right to free speech doesn't apply? I don't have the same right to dissent without fear of being ripped apart? And I feel that I can't even discuss my own feelings with the very people I would have run to in the past.

Who said that?

You are absolutely entitled to it. You can even call for a ban. I'm just explaining why he's not being banned.

@Noah:

Yes, all of those things are free speech. But, like it says in the rules, you will have to face the consequences of those opinions from other members.

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06-07-2013, 04:38 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 04:31 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  @Noah:

Yes, all of those things are free speech. But, like it says in the rules, you will have to face the consequences of those opinions from other members.

Yea, that part made me chuckle actually. Trolls will love that part.

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