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06-07-2013, 04:40 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 04:31 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 03:46 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  So my right to free speech doesn't apply? I don't have the same right to dissent without fear of being ripped apart? And I feel that I can't even discuss my own feelings with the very people I would have run to in the past.

Who said that?

You are absolutely entitled to it. You can even call for a ban. I'm just explaining why he's not being banned.

@Noah:

Yes, all of those things are free speech. But, like it says in the rules, you will have to face the consequences of those opinions from other members.

I will never get that part - no one but admin ever talks about banning. Bannings are not the only solution, you know. Geeez!

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06-07-2013, 05:30 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
I've just got in from work so I'll address a couple of points.

(06-07-2013 06:51 AM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  Excuse me, but since when is the disease that is pedophilia a view??? Is there some type of pedophilia church these guys are attending where they worship pedo-bear? Is pedophilia a world-view? Is there a class I can attend that might convince me to join the pedophilia movement?

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I've been quite tolerant of much bullshit on this site from bullshit individuals. But you never saw me making moves to get them banned. In fact, I'm not even making a move to get the pedophiles banned. I said it again and again, I only use the porn thing as an example. All you guys can argue is that it's illegal. I told you to stuff subjects like porn and pedophilia into a locked sub-forum with age verification (this is for the porn). With that suggestion, people STILL don't want anything to do with porn. I have highlighted an inconsistency here with my porn example.

No one wants porn here why? Oh, this forum was never about that from the beginning. Oh, no one gives a shit about porn. Excuse me, but I can say the same exact crap about the subject of pedophiles being on this forum. Yea, this forum doesn't want porn on here, but if you are afflicted with pedophilia... COME ON IN!

Again, what the mods do with this situation sets a precedent. You let confessed pedophiles join and interact here and you've effectively opened the door to others. Pedophiles, people with rape fantasies, people with an affinity for violence, etc...

Me personally, I'm fine with that as long as they are all civil and don't threaten anyone. But I do wonder how this will affect others. I do wonder what type of image you are letting this place obtain. Remember, the two pedophiles came here and only posted about pedophilia. Is that something else you want this place to become? A bunch of people coming here to post off-topic subjects without ever contributing to the discussion of Atheism, theism, skepticism, etc.? If that's the case, let's change the name of the forum. Take the word "Atheist" out of it. Because now it just becomes a public forum of random topics.

Again, again, again... there is a compromise. A locked, delisted sub-forum for pedophiles and other "Maybe harmless for their whole life" individuals that suffer from similar afflictions. Toss other topics in there that might be controversial. Maybe subjects like, "I fantasize about choking babies, but I would never act on it."

Want to know what tolerance of free speech is KC? Letting Holocaust deniers discuss their insanely ignorant theories. Letting truthers try over and over to cry foul. Letting vegans spread their evil hatred of meat. Those are pretty clear cut.

People confessing to fantasies of being intimate with children? That's not so clear cut.

The porn thing is about the legal aspect, like it or not. So an age-restricted section should be legal. What if someone underage manages to get in? What if the authorities decide that my actions to prevent that aren't enough? However much I try to stay within the law there would still be a risk of something going wrong. A risk I'm not willing to take.

(06-07-2013 10:15 AM)Dom Wrote:  Because it would carry a warning in the description. People would have to make a decision to enter, instead of falling right into it. No one can be pissed off because anything is shoved in their face. And because of Google!

Well I kinda think that the thread entitled "pedophilia" was kinda carrying a warning, did anyone really enter that thread not knowing what it was about? Besides, many of those people then returned multiple times when they defo knew exactly what it was about.

(06-07-2013 10:43 AM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  "TTA advocates free speech no matter one's affiliation/affliction/disorder/fantasies. You might be offended by some of its content. You have been warned. And please, no porn. That's just distasteful. Eww."

I thought the rules made our approach to free speech pretty clear.

(06-07-2013 10:52 AM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  I am not a hypocrite. If you look through the threads from my posts, you will see that I am a very tolerante and accepting person. Moreso than a LOT of you.

I'm a very loving and open person. At least I like to think so. I'm okay with a lot of things. A LOT. But everyone has their limits. Fact it.....that I'm -not- okay with people who want to hurt children. Whether they have done it or not.

I fully believe in freedom of speech, and I fully believe that we are too pc and people get offended too easily. But I also believe that with freedom comes responsibility.

For me......Being around people who have desire to do things to children...thats my line.

And honestly, I'm getting really tired of being told what an awful person I am for having different opinions myself on here recently, and then getting yelled at for not agreeing with this.

And of course I consider you a friend KC. Its gonna be terrible to leave the people I care about on here if i decide to do that.

But perhaps thats a good thing for the forums. I don't really fit the kind of people that fit in the popular group here. Smile I'm sorry you guys feel I'm not a quality member. Honestly thats your loss

I hope you decide to stay. I think you're a quality member. Smile

(06-07-2013 11:59 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  suppose I better go to sleep then.

Please don't add like 20 pages to this thread, I really can't be fucked reading all that. If you do someone be a champ and leave me a summary ktxbye.

I came in from work to 12 new pages, and I read the whole pedo thread last night in one sitting. I hope you have to read like 20 pages, at least then I'm not the only one dragging myself through it all. Big Grin

(06-07-2013 01:15 PM)Anjele Wrote:  How she feels Ato...feels....how it fucking makes her feel, not a direct quote from anyone.

Get off your literal fucking high horse and get back some of the nice guy we all like around here. You are way out of line with the way you are treating people who have been nothing but friendly to and supportive of you.

I don't agree with how A2 spoke to Hobbitgirl. I don't think he was being malicious though. I think he's frustrated and it got the better of him for a second. I won't be popular with some people saying this but from where I'm sitting A2 has spoke as much sense as anyone for the last few day (and substantially more than most people if I'm honest) yet his reward has been to face sustained attacks on multiple fronts a lot of the time. That would be taxing for anyone.

(06-07-2013 04:40 PM)Dom Wrote:  I will never get that part - no one but admin ever talks about banning. Bannings are not the only solution, you know. Geeez!

Then what exactly do people want?

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06-07-2013, 05:32 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
An enter at your own risk subforum.

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06-07-2013, 05:37 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
As for the Ato and Hobbitgirl thing. HG hasn't ever done anything to hurt anyone on here. Ato was again demanding what he felt was necessary cause he was missing the point and was so wound up he wasn't listening. I thought that got straightened out once he understood only to have another long 'vomit on everyone missive' to follow.

I know that Ato is frustrated and upset, I didn't want to see harm to what I know has been a solid friendship. Was using my mom voice on him. Shoot me...I didn't want Hobbit hurt or a friendship lost. Steven is lauded for standing up for new people that are upsetting long time members, I was attempting to stand up for a long time valued member and save a friendship in the process.

If you want to flame me for that, please do.

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06-07-2013, 05:42 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
I've not read through the entire thread yet, But the point about porn as far as I know Seth has said he wouldn't like it here so as far as i'm concerned that's the way its gonna be.

Its not something thats up for debate. Seth's word is law here.

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06-07-2013, 05:44 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 05:30 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 04:40 PM)Dom Wrote:  I will never get that part - no one but admin ever talks about banning. Bannings are not the only solution, you know. Geeez!

Then what exactly do people want?

Just my 2 cents...but since you asked.

I think being moderator comes with responsibility to keep the forums running smoothly so it doesn't melt down and you have members leaving. That is the goal. And I feel that is accomplished in steps. Threads get heated, insults get slung, people get pissed off and hurt and bent out of shape-- IMO - its the moderators duty to calm that.....so the forum doesn't melt down.

People argue and that's fine. And then there are times when people argue and it gets downright ugly....and that is the moment a mod needs to step in--not to squelch a persons thoughts-but to keep the forum sane.

I would expect a mod to step in and say to EVERYONE-- this thread is getting out of hand, or has gone WAAY off topic, bring it back to the OP or ask everyone to just take a 4 hr break from the thread.

if that doesn't work- then maybe send some pm's to those you see who are just fanning the flames of the disaster and have a talk with them. Ask them to stop.

use a lock on threads that have gone beyond the OP and have turned into a disaster. And if you find that some have taken a break, lock it up...don't allow it to go on for days on end.

sometimes adults get wrapped up in a topic or a thread and need a calm voice to step in. we are humans and sometimes need a cooler head to step in.

just my 2 cents.


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06-07-2013, 05:53 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 05:37 PM)Anjele Wrote:  As for the Ato and Hobbitgirl thing. HG hasn't ever done anything to hurt anyone on here. Ato was again demanding what he felt was necessary cause he was missing the point and was so wound up he wasn't listening. I thought that got straightened out once he understood only to have another long 'vomit on everyone missive' to follow.

I know that Ato is frustrated and upset, I didn't want to see harm to what I know has been a solid friendship. Was using my mom voice on him. Shoot me...I didn't want Hobbit hurt or a friendship lost. Steven is lauded for standing up for new people that are upsetting long time members, I was attempting to stand up for a long time valued member and save a friendship in the process.

If you want to flame me for that, please do.

Please don't think that was an attack aimed at you. It was an observation for everyone. I wasn't trying to attack people, just point out that there are mitigating circumstances for Stevie acting out of character and HG got caught in the crossfire. Do I think that makes his comments OK? No. I do think it adds context though.

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Ferdinand: We don't really say 'theist' in Alabama. Here, you're either a Christian, or you're from Afghanistan and we fucking hate you.
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Ferdinand: Everyone from British is so, like, fucking retarded.
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06-07-2013, 05:54 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
Just my 2 cents
i saw the suggestion to put it in a "view at own risk" sub.
That wont help shit.
I know i(talking for me,not for others) am far to curious not to click any sub/tread with that title.
I ASSUME there are people like me
but then again, i am not easily offended by shit on the internet
i side with both a2thetheist and dom here,mixed thoughts.

As long as the op doesnt do anything illegal,he can stay.
After all,this is a free speech forum,and seth's podcast encourages people to think and discuss rational.

But then,i also symphatize with the people being offended that we even allow them to be here,although it is irational.


So,my opinion is,let this topic open,as long as it stays a rational discussion and not a total flame war.
And please,dont open any new treads regarding this(to OP)

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06-07-2013, 05:58 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 05:30 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  Then what exactly do people want?

An "enter at your own risk" forum that does not show in google.

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06-07-2013, 06:01 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(06-07-2013 05:58 PM)Dom Wrote:  An "enter at your own risk" forum that does not show in google.

It's under discussion. There are some people for and some against so it's not a straightforward decision. We also have to consider how it would actually work if it was implemented. Saying to add the section is easy. Deciding what would go in, not so much.

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Ferdinand: We don't really say 'theist' in Alabama. Here, you're either a Christian, or you're from Afghanistan and we fucking hate you.
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Ferdinand: Everyone from British is so, like, fucking retarded.
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