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07-07-2013, 04:14 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
Unfair, when I brought up needing a drink I was told no.

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07-07-2013, 04:14 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
Quote:Sure. Do you get that Noah was just posing a hypothetical thought experiment?

I realized that, which is why my first post on it was "That would be a childish thing to do.

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07-07-2013, 04:15 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 04:01 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  This forum has turn me into an alcoholic. I'm sure Near thanks you Tongue

(07-07-2013 04:04 PM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  And last night, I went with a high gravity beer. Too bad that image hasn't left my head yet...

(07-07-2013 04:09 PM)Dom Wrote:  I swear, I have no idea what happened to that bottle of wine. It was almost empty this morning when I spotted it....

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07-07-2013, 04:17 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 03:50 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 03:46 PM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  Look, I'm not going to do that so we can drop the nature of the act discussion.

Girly is right, I wanted to know your limits as well as others. Now I know. You're right, there are better ways to find the limits. I just used one of them... a thought experiment.

Though this method relies on prediction. The actual act would prove it outright.

So moving along... hate speech? Is that bannable here? I don't remember seeing that rule. But isn't that free speech as well?

Nope, I don't think it's banned. The word nigger has been flung around. Nazis have shown up to claim the holocaust was a farce. I don't really know how hate speech is defined. But the above are insulting to large groups of people.

If people say the word N*gger in a joke, I would allow it. If people say "N*gger!" With the INTENT to be hateful, then I WOULDN'T allow it.

If a person comes here wanting to debate, seriously, about the holocaust, I wouldn't oppose them on it, however if they Come here the the INTENT to offend other people and used the holocaust as merely a vehicle to do that, then I WOULD vie for them to be banned.

That is my stance on it. Hate speech is only hate speech if it is said with the INTENTION of being HATEFUL.

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07-07-2013, 04:18 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 03:57 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  One positive thing to come from this for me is somewhere along the way I forgot that I should be constantly reevaluating and questioning all of my principles and stances all of the time. ... Dunno why I forgot that, just lazy thinking I'm thinking.

Nah, that ain't lazy thinking. You're one of the thinkingest people here.

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07-07-2013, 04:20 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 01:59 PM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 01:29 PM)Humakt Wrote:  Not an american, so not my issue, but the wording and meaning is so subjective to be almost meaningless. What words are in of themselves injurious.

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The very concept of a word that injures makes as much sense as a war on terror, and frankly discussions were one side advocates the curtailing of freedom of speech could lead me to immediately retaliate or breach the peace. Seems to me the only use this piece of legislation will ever be is to act as defence for assault, as any issue under the sun may illict the the conduct that is said may establish mitigating circumstances for assault.

Want to know what is almost meaningless to ME? For the lot of us to sit here and act like this forum represents the real world. That's bullshit plain and simple and the Porn thing proved that much. Want to know what else proves it? The fact that SPAM is a bannable offense here. You can spam all the eff you want in the real world and no one can arrest you unless you are defacing public property. Yup, I can post as many pointless fliers as I want in any public location and no one can do shit about it.

I've been trying to hammer this point to you guys over and over. Stop flying the free speech banner. It doesn't hold up here. Free speech is limited here whether or not you allow pedophiles in.

Why do you guys ban spam then considering the lengths you all are going to, to defend free speech? I bet you're going to say because it is disruptive and does nothing to contribute to the community. I bet people feel the same way about the pedophiles here. I dunno, call that one a wild hunch.

Be real with yourselves and admins, be real to TTA's community. Don't fly this shit under the false guise of "YEA, FREE SPEECH BRO, ALL THE WAY." Lay your rules out plain and simple. Say free speech is honored to a limit. List EXACTLY what will ban you outright and the criteria to get you considered for a ban. Don't call this place truly Free Speech friendly. We aren't in the real world. There's no police, courts, or jail. You guys can do whatever you please for better or for worse.

I have half a mind to test this forum's free speech policy's limits. A little demon on my shoulder is telling me to plaster a link to this place in every pedophile, racist, rapist, snuff, and whatever god-awful site. Let's see if you guys walk the walk the whole way.

My last point... want to know why we can't and shouldn't restrict free speech in the real world? BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO POLICE THAT FAIRLY. The beauty of an Internet forum though is that fairness doesn't matter. You got banned? You move onto the next forum. Don't like the rules? You move onto the next forum. Can't do that in real life unless you have the means to hop countries. Even then, you're going to run out of options very quickly.

So how about we drop the Free Speech talk?

Dont know why youve replied to my post a lot of your rant addresses stuff Ive never mentioned.
As to pushing the limits of my tolerance for free speech, post what you want, however if you post links to snuff that would illegal, my defense of freedom of speech does not extend to advocating that you break the law and face prosecution. Although, Id have no problems with you starting an advocacy post for the legalisation of snuff material, say what you will, but dont break the law would be advice.

As to cares about fair, its the tinter net - all I have to say is, what?

And I'll happily stop defending your freedom, my freedom and everyone elses freedom of speech, just as soon as everyone has a massive chillax and stops demanding that nobody is allowed to say anything that might cause offense. Because that is truly unenforceable, because anything, anybody can say, can cause offense to someone. The onlyh way to ensure that no offense will be given is for everyone to remain silent.

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07-07-2013, 04:25 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 02:32 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 01:29 PM)Humakt Wrote:  The very concept of a word that injures makes as much sense as a war on terror, ...

hmmm ... Consider ... nigger comes to mind. niglet comes to mind. tar baby comes to mind. porch monkey comes to mind. hymie comes to mind. kike comes to mind. wop comes to mind. camel jockey comes to mind. wetback comes to mind. chink comes to mind. zipperhead comes to mind. dothead comes to mind. gook comes to mind. polack comes to mind. prairie nigger comes to mind. raghead comes to mind. spic comes to mind. ...

Maybe you and I have different idea of what an injury is. Dothead is a new one on me however to whom does that refer?

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07-07-2013, 04:28 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 03:36 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 03:32 PM)Humakt Wrote:  You say "keeps on" this is not immediate.

Yes, I am thinking that there is likely some sort of threshold for people - one can take 2 insults without exploding, the other guy can take three... and the one who never explodes is irrelevant because he isn't getting punished for anything anyway.

Maybe so, but not what the legalese is talking about.

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07-07-2013, 04:34 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 04:20 PM)Humakt Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 01:59 PM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  Want to know what is almost meaningless to ME? For the lot of us to sit here and act like this forum represents the real world. That's bullshit plain and simple and the Porn thing proved that much. Want to know what else proves it? The fact that SPAM is a bannable offense here. You can spam all the eff you want in the real world and no one can arrest you unless you are defacing public property. Yup, I can post as many pointless fliers as I want in any public location and no one can do shit about it.

I've been trying to hammer this point to you guys over and over. Stop flying the free speech banner. It doesn't hold up here. Free speech is limited here whether or not you allow pedophiles in.

Why do you guys ban spam then considering the lengths you all are going to, to defend free speech? I bet you're going to say because it is disruptive and does nothing to contribute to the community. I bet people feel the same way about the pedophiles here. I dunno, call that one a wild hunch.

Be real with yourselves and admins, be real to TTA's community. Don't fly this shit under the false guise of "YEA, FREE SPEECH BRO, ALL THE WAY." Lay your rules out plain and simple. Say free speech is honored to a limit. List EXACTLY what will ban you outright and the criteria to get you considered for a ban. Don't call this place truly Free Speech friendly. We aren't in the real world. There's no police, courts, or jail. You guys can do whatever you please for better or for worse.

I have half a mind to test this forum's free speech policy's limits. A little demon on my shoulder is telling me to plaster a link to this place in every pedophile, racist, rapist, snuff, and whatever god-awful site. Let's see if you guys walk the walk the whole way.

My last point... want to know why we can't and shouldn't restrict free speech in the real world? BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO POLICE THAT FAIRLY. The beauty of an Internet forum though is that fairness doesn't matter. You got banned? You move onto the next forum. Don't like the rules? You move onto the next forum. Can't do that in real life unless you have the means to hop countries. Even then, you're going to run out of options very quickly.

So how about we drop the Free Speech talk?

Dont know why youve replied to my post a lot of your rant addresses stuff Ive never mentioned.
As to pushing the limits of my tolerance for free speech, post what you want, however if you post links to snuff that would illegal, my defense of freedom of speech does not extend to advocating that you break the law and face prosecution. Although, Id have no problems with you starting an advocacy post for the legalisation of snuff material, say what you will, but dont break the law would be advice.

As to cares about fair, its the tinter net - all I have to say is, what?

And I'll happily stop defending your freedom, my freedom and everyone elses freedom of speech, just as soon as everyone has a massive chillax and stops demanding that nobody is allowed to say anything that might cause offense. Because that is truly unenforceable, because anything, anybody can say, can cause offense to someone. The onlyh way to ensure that no offense will be given is for everyone to remain silent.

My post is relevant to yours. You are defending free speech like this forum represents the real world. It does no such thing. This is a communication medium with rules that is staffed by a handful of people. There is absolutely no reason to expect that this forum mimic real-world legislation such as... dunno... freedom of speech?

You defend free speech to the fullest, yet you don't say anything about the bannable offense of spamming. Those spammers have the right to spam according to your values. Come on, be consistent.

Point being, shit has to be done a little differently on the Internet. You can't tout freedom of speech as being the single most important facet of this forum, yet make exceptions. What you can do is say that it is very important, but lines do have to be drawn. And lines are currently drawn regarding free speech on this forum. That's not even contestable.

And you exaggerate. NO ONE is demanding that no one be allowed to say anything that might cause offense.

The situation at hand isn't that black and white. If it was, it wouldn't even be a situation. See, this is exactly why freedom of speech can't be policed in the real world. But this isn't the real world. The forum team doesn't ALWAYS have to do what's fair. They do what's in the best interest of the forum (hopefully). And this means they will lose some members at times. But that's fine, because these members have infinite other outlets on the Internet. Something that they don't have in the real world.

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07-07-2013, 04:51 PM
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^^ What NoahsFarce said. Well articulated that man.

When I started on this forum I was somewhat starry eyed and I did idealize free speech. But after being here a while I've changed my stance a bit. I think we need some leeway as the forum team / mods to make judgement calls as to what's acceptable, a realization that yes regrettably that may result in some judgement errors, and full commitment in the sense that decisions are backed up by the rest of the team - it's not just some mod losing patience with the glacially slow pace of our current decision making.

That's what I think we need, my two cents... Oh I'd also vote for killing the pedo thread as quickly as possible and screw considerations of fair play. It's detrimental to the forum.

But hey, that's why I'm glad I'm not in the hot seat... admin gotta make tough calls.
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