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07-07-2013, 11:29 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 08:40 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 08:33 PM)Dom Wrote:  Holy cow, you surely take a long time procreating....

I've gotten my time down to under 45 seconds, or twice on a commercial break. The lucky lady barely has time to realize what's happening before I am handing her a towel. Tongue

At least you hand her a towel.

Jus sayin'


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07-07-2013, 11:57 PM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 11:29 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 08:40 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  I've gotten my time down to under 45 seconds, or twice on a commercial break. The lucky lady barely has time to realize what's happening before I am handing her a towel. Tongue

At least you hand her a towel.

Jus sayin'

What can I say? I'm a romantic.

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08-07-2013, 12:08 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 11:57 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 11:29 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  At least you hand her a towel.

Jus sayin'

What can I say? I'm a romantic.

It's a nice touch. Wink


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08-07-2013, 12:13 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 11:57 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 11:29 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  At least you hand her a towel.

Jus sayin'

What can I say? I'm a romantic.

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08-07-2013, 04:04 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(07-07-2013 04:34 PM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 04:20 PM)Humakt Wrote:  Dont know why youve replied to my post a lot of your rant addresses stuff Ive never mentioned.
As to pushing the limits of my tolerance for free speech, post what you want, however if you post links to snuff that would illegal, my defense of freedom of speech does not extend to advocating that you break the law and face prosecution. Although, Id have no problems with you starting an advocacy post for the legalisation of snuff material, say what you will, but dont break the law would be advice.

As to cares about fair, its the tinter net - all I have to say is, what?

And I'll happily stop defending your freedom, my freedom and everyone elses freedom of speech, just as soon as everyone has a massive chillax and stops demanding that nobody is allowed to say anything that might cause offense. Because that is truly unenforceable, because anything, anybody can say, can cause offense to someone. The onlyh way to ensure that no offense will be given is for everyone to remain silent.

My post is relevant to yours. You are defending free speech like this forum represents the real world. It does no such thing. This is a communication medium with rules that is staffed by a handful of people. There is absolutely no reason to expect that this forum mimic real-world legislation such as... dunno... freedom of speech?

You defend free speech to the fullest, yet you don't say anything about the bannable offense of spamming. Those spammers have the right to spam according to your values. Come on, be consistent.

Point being, shit has to be done a little differently on the Internet. You can't tout freedom of speech as being the single most important facet of this forum, yet make exceptions. What you can do is say that it is very important, but lines do have to be drawn. And lines are currently drawn regarding free speech on this forum. That's not even contestable.

And you exaggerate. NO ONE is demanding that no one be allowed to say anything that might cause offense.

The situation at hand isn't that black and white. If it was, it wouldn't even be a situation. See, this is exactly why freedom of speech can't be policed in the real world. But this isn't the real world. The forum team doesn't ALWAYS have to do what's fair. They do what's in the best interest of the forum (hopefully). And this means they will lose some members at times. But that's fine, because these members have infinite other outlets on the Internet. Something that they don't have in the real world.

OK, thank first of all for my education in what I think, kind of you. But, if I may be allowed to speak for myself.

I never said this was the real world, nor that I was treating this forum as though it where the real world. I am not when I speak of freedom of speech here defending the policy and the stance on freedom of speech taken by Seth and the moderating team. This is indeed a forum run by a small distinct group with rules all of its own, these rules and these mods value freedom of speech, state quite freely that policy and enforce it. If any one is in a disconnect over the status of freedom speech it is you, Sir. If tolerating others freedom of speech isnt to your taste, how did you put it, its only a forum, you are perfectly at liberty to move on.

I do indeed defend freedom of speech to the utmost, it is literally the bedrock of all freedom, I defend it here, there and everywhere. I havent spoken on the issue of spam primarily because its place, its as you say one of the forums rules, no porn, no spam, nothing illegal. If I were a mod, my stance would be different, but Im not so I mind my own concerns and thank the mods wholeheartedly for the service they provide. If I had any real issues I'd toddle off, but I dont.

Poining is my dear man, my principles are not malleable to circumstance, I dont view online or any venue of conduct to be a moral free zone. And I can and do tout freedom of speech as the single most important facet of this website to me and that view is inaccord, with both the websites policy and what all of the mod time and again state and uphold. That being said do have to and very much are drawn, both in the real world, personally Im not really in favour of hate speech and incitement to laws, but they nonetheless exist. And here the policy on spam is right there on the T+C, Im perfectly happy to not be spammed, I personally will block spam, Im more than happy to let the forum team do it for me, at the same time Im also perfectly happy to defend the spammers rights to spam, I just dont like most of us feel a pressing need to listen to what they have to say.

It may well be true that the forum team dont have to fair, but yet they are, to there credit. I am I must admit baffled why you would be advocating for the unfair, but I guess I also know that you want your way not whats fair. Well your just gonna have to suck it up, you arent going to get your way here, not with these mods.

"And you exaggerate. NO ONE is demanding that no one be allowed to say anything that might cause offense. "

And my favorite part of this post, let be absolutely clear so that you do not miss my meaning here and so I can quote it to you when you dont acknowledge the point.

I do not exaggerate, not one iota, if you and your "burn the witch" ilk got there way and had I&I, or any other banned because what they said was distasteful to you, then I, personally me, would completely demand that no one speak, that others would afford the right to speak whilst we censure others is an affront, every word uttered on the forum would be distasteful to me, I would state my distaste for anyones post on any topic as distasteful and demand that as I have been offended the person posting has offended me and should be silenced, because thats the policy now. Thems the rules now. If one person cant say anything that may cause offence no one has the right.

It is this very sentiment that makes a strong advocate for freedom of speech, I value your, there and very definatly I value mine. If your happy to surrender yours go ahead, I'll happily not listen to you, but if you don't want to you know shush now, then you go right on ahead, no matter how distasteful, idiotic, self destructive I think your views are you can hold em, talk about them to your hearts content, your afforded that freedom and latitude, but heres really what I find distasteful, not your views, not your advocacy of them, it the sheer lack of decency and reciprocity in allowing them in other, that my dear boy simply isnt cricket.

That situation is completely black and white, some forum members have stuff, that break no forum policy and no laws, some other forums members dont like what is being said. The side that doesnt like what is being said are in contradiction to the principles of the forum and the rulings of the moderators. seems pretty black and white to me, they have every right to speak, you have every right to complain, the mods absolutely have the right to do what ever the hell they want and whilst what they want remains in accordance there current views I 100% support them.

Now to sum up, youve accused me of much and meh cant say I care, but lets see if your principles of you and your kind stand up. You content that certain parties should be silenced or remain silent because you personally and collectively dont like what is being said. Fair enough I find pretty much all of what you say distasteful, I find the idea that as someone with these hard won rights would so easily not just undermine them but surrender them, offensive to the intellect. Now Im not going to call for you to be banned or silenced, because I believe you have the right to speak, what I'll ask instead does the fact that I am deeply disturbed by what you say and your advocacy of silencing such commentary here, does that sway you in anyway to desist?

I look forward to your brief and dismissive reply, the ball is nosw very much in your court.

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08-07-2013, 06:17 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
I love your answers Humakt, you get it where most people don't.

Your points are absolutely right. I often wonder if the people who call for bans or restrictions in these circumstances would condone such actions if they were on the receiving end of them. People claim things that are offensive to them should be removed. If you came to me and said their posts were offending you and I banned them would they applaud me? I doubt it. That's the irony here.

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08-07-2013, 06:45 AM (This post was last modified: 08-07-2013 06:50 AM by Dom.)
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
Seth says that this is the prime objective of the forum:

Quote:it exists to provide conversation, support, encouragement, information and community to the atheist, the agnostic, the freethinker.

And that is exactly what I come here for. I do not come here for drama, I hate the drama we just went through.

As long as we have these flare ups, we are not providing for people what Seth intends. Most certainly the forum failed hugely at providing support for its members in the last flare up, and that is why I got so angry, and that is why Seth had to step in. It was an epic fail. People were dropping like flies.

Many who have been abused have PTS. The thread in question should have been removed after the first handful of people had PTS attacks. The forum failed to provide support for it's members, which is the mission statement. Instead it acted in favor of free speech, which is a secondary goal. Seth made this very clear, and I totally agree with him.

It's his forum, and he is a very smart man and wants to provide exactly what the COMMUNITY needs. Not what some people's ideals are. What the atheist, agnostic and freethinking community needs. Not what the world is lacking.

Regardless of anyone's views, this forum exists because of Seth, most people come here because they heard him speak and they expect the forum to be the way HE wants it to be.

Now that he has clarified the mission and given us a precise mission statement, we can finally put our combined minds to making this happen, instead of trying to impose our will on the community. Because that is where the issue lies.

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08-07-2013, 06:48 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(08-07-2013 06:45 AM)Dom Wrote:  Seth says that this is the prime objective of the forum:

Quote:it exists to provide conversation, support, encouragement, information and community to the atheist, the agnostic, the freethinker.

And that is exactly what I come here for. I do not come here for drama, I hate the drama we just went through.

As long as we have these flare ups, we are not providing for people what Seth intends. Most certainly the forum failed hugely at providing support for its members in the last flare up, and that is why I got so angry, and that is why Seth had to step in. It was an epic fail. People were dropping like flies.

Many who have been abused have PTS. The thread in question should have been removed after the first handful of people had PTS attacks. The forum failed to provide support for it's members, which is the mission statement. Instead it acted in favor of free speech, which is a secondary goal. Seth made this very clear, and I totally agree with him.

It's his forum, and he is a very smart man and wants to provide exactly what the COMMUNITY needs. Not what some people's ideals are. What the atheist, agnostic and freethinking community needs. Not what the world is lacking.

Regardless of anyone's views, this forum exists because of Seth, most people come here because they heard him speak and they expect the forum to be the way HE wants it to be.

Now that he has clarified the mission and given us a precise mission statement, we can finally pout our combined minds to making this happen, instead of trying to impose our will on the community. Because that is where the issue lies.

So, to keep the example going, if Humakt came to me and said your posts were causing him issues then I should remove them?

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08-07-2013, 06:52 AM
RE: So, whose forum is this, anyway?
(08-07-2013 06:48 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 06:45 AM)Dom Wrote:  Seth says that this is the prime objective of the forum:


And that is exactly what I come here for. I do not come here for drama, I hate the drama we just went through.

As long as we have these flare ups, we are not providing for people what Seth intends. Most certainly the forum failed hugely at providing support for its members in the last flare up, and that is why I got so angry, and that is why Seth had to step in. It was an epic fail. People were dropping like flies.

Many who have been abused have PTS. The thread in question should have been removed after the first handful of people had PTS attacks. The forum failed to provide support for it's members, which is the mission statement. Instead it acted in favor of free speech, which is a secondary goal. Seth made this very clear, and I totally agree with him.

It's his forum, and he is a very smart man and wants to provide exactly what the COMMUNITY needs. Not what some people's ideals are. What the atheist, agnostic and freethinking community needs. Not what the world is lacking.

Regardless of anyone's views, this forum exists because of Seth, most people come here because they heard him speak and they expect the forum to be the way HE wants it to be.

Now that he has clarified the mission and given us a precise mission statement, we can finally pout our combined minds to making this happen, instead of trying to impose our will on the community. Because that is where the issue lies.

So, to keep the example going, if Humakt came to me and said your posts were causing him issues then I should remove them?

Are they causing severe issues for a number of people? Community , man, not individuals.

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08-07-2013, 06:55 AM
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(08-07-2013 06:52 AM)Dom Wrote:  Are they causing severe issues for a number of people? Community , man, not individuals.

So if several people came to me and said your posts were causing them issues I should silence you?

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