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10-07-2011, 10:56 AM
RE: Social Networking
I have both Facebook and Twitter. Both, if used well, are very valuable services. Facebook allows me to connect with family and meet some of the best people who I have not met in real life. I have two twitter accounts. One focused on my baseball blog and business related to that. One for personal opinions and beliefs.

As for Facebook....American Atheists did a thing where they went state by state and allowed people to connect with those in their state. Its great. I have met some of the coolest people ever and for that I will always use Facebook.
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12-07-2011, 01:02 AM
RE: Social Networking
It is all great, and yes, Facebook can help you find some people easier than anything else on the Net, but still... The best thing to communicate with others is Gmail, it has chat, video chat, emailing, so what else do I need? If I see someone online, I contact them. Can it be more simple? As for the contacts, I was always gathering phone numbers and addresses, so it is not a problem for me to find my old friends without Facebook.

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12-07-2011, 02:39 AM
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I would recommend this youtube channel by the way, it also has some atheist comedy and other amusing stuff.

(09-07-2011 03:08 AM)Filox Wrote:  Now the real social problems with Facebook, this is not my opinion, this is my professional observation. First, kids have way bigger social problems because of Facebook than all the spanking and abuse together. Not all, of course, but a big part of Facebook population is completely crippled socially. People don't go out to play basket or ride bikes, or whatever, now they all hang out in front of the computer, and if your child is 10 and stay in front of Facbook, instead of going out and getting into trouble, then there is something very wrong with your kid and he/she will have big problems when they grow up, because they don't develop social intelligence and they don't know how to communicate with other people, unless they are in front of LCD screen. When those kind of kids turn 20 or so, they start to work and they need to talk to real people, there will be problems.

I'm sorry but I have to call bullshit. I get that some people hate facebook etc (I'm not a huge fan myself) but worse than child abuse? Seriously? I would want to see some evidence for such an outrageous claim. Nobody really knows what the long-term affects will be from growing up with facebook because it hasn't been around long enough to study it. I would be very surprise though to find out that chatting with friends on a computer instead of face to face has more harmful effects than being battered by abusive parents.

Quote:Other thing Facebook has destroyed is computer skills. Until a couple of years ago, people who had computers knew how to work with them, they had at least some basic knowledge about that machine and how it works, because not everything was automated and made for dummies, you actually needed to read a message that would pup up on your screen. Now people don't use computers anymore, they go on Facebook. Nobody goes to the Internet anymore, everybody goes to Facebook. Facebook has become the only thing most people do on computer, so they are all growing more and more stupid and basic, instead of learning new things about new technologies and improving their existing knowledge.

I know these thing because I am IT technician and administrator in couple of companies so I see every day where the whole computer world is going and I know what people are doing on their computers.

I see some of you have said that you need to know how to use the Internet if you want to keep your privacy and safety and that is very true, but you can not explain that to somebody who uses only Facebook and Tweeter, and has no idea that there is other stuff on computer. On multiple occasions some customers have asked me to install the Facebook on the computer with no OS. They did not tell me Windows or Linux, they said: "Can you install Facebook?". That is the direction where we are going.

I kinda feel that you're exaggerating a bit. I mean sure, nowadays everyone and his dog is online, using facebook/twitter but to say that no one can or does use the internet for other things is just silly. I don't even think I really need to tell you this, I mean, you work in IT so you already know all the things people can and do use the internet/computers for. I work for a website and even the younger people (the ones who will need to be surgically removed from their iphones when they die) know how to use excel to a high level, use the internet in a professional capacity and use our own in house software.

I don't think you should write off the youth of today. Sure, many of them are morons but then, many of your generation were morons and so it will be till the end of time. Facebook isn't destroying computer skills, there are still kids growing up interested in computer science and know their shit. It's just that people who didn't use computers before because they didn't know how are now using them alongside the computer geeks.

I agree that it's not good for kids to spend all their free time in front of a computer but don't blame social networking when you should be blaming bad parenting.

(12-07-2011 01:02 AM)Filox Wrote:  It is all great, and yes, Facebook can help you find some people easier than anything else on the Net, but still... The best thing to communicate with others is Gmail, it has chat, video chat, emailing, so what else do I need? If I see someone online, I contact them. Can it be more simple? As for the contacts, I was always gathering phone numbers and addresses, so it is not a problem for me to find my old friends without Facebook.

I disagree. Undecided I seem to be very disagreeable today. I hope I'm not coming across as too confrontational/agressive. I just like a good debate Smile

I tried gmail and it was awful. I've had the same hotmail account since the early 90s and today I get 20-30 messages in my spambox at any one time (auto delete after about a month i think). I signed up for gmail and within a couple of days I had literally hundreds of spam emails. Sometimes important stuff slips by into the spambox so I always glance through it to make sure I haven't missed anything. Who has time to look through a hundred viagra mails every day for that one important email?

I personally have facebook but use it quite minimally. I don't play games, I don't post status updates very often. I upload photos and find it useful to keep in touch and communicate with groups of people all at once, which is harder with email I think.

I joined twitter just to see what all the fuss was about and to this day I still don't get it. I mean, it's status updates ala facebook but without ANY of the other features. What's the point?
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12-07-2011, 02:09 PM
RE: Social Networking
All social networking options, if used well, can be an incredible tool. Sad thing is many do not use them well. They have Facebook and Twitter as the center of their social lives. For me I use it to connect with friends, family and meet new and interesting people. Twitter....I use it to promote my baseball blog and podcast and meet new and interesting people as well. I also have a social life outside both outlets and this is the issue many people have. As a tool its great. As your complete social life its a disaster.
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12-07-2011, 10:32 PM
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Never been fond of twitter, I'm sure some people use it as a means to communicate with others on a go, but I find twitter to be vanity it's self.

I had a twitter to see what the fuss was as well, and almost all tweets were fucking stupid inconsequential bullshit that me and the rest of the world didn't care about.

My dear husband has an iphone, and he and his goofy friends are constantly updating their twitter *went to burger king, got a wopper*
*Went to class* *petting my cat* *fixing an airplane, loads of fun*...

just the same stupid shit day in and day out.

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13-07-2011, 05:03 AM (This post was last modified: 13-07-2011 05:20 AM by Filox.)
RE: Social Networking
@ Goddess Aurora

OK, so apparently people still have problems with my expressions with a bit of exaggerations. Yes, I do tend to exaggerate a bit, but it is not so much as you might think, and it is to make a point more obvious. And I did not imagine these things about Facebook, there are numerous studies made about the issue and multiple clinics are opening around the word for addictions, mostly based on addictions to Facebook, but they do include computer usage in general, as well as video games. What I said about the spanking, was just me connecting this thread with the one on spanking kids, and in a way it can be true. Of course I don't think that everyone who has Facebook also has problems, but Facebook can be very addictive and people are not even aware of the problem. In my internet club 90% of people who come are the ones going to Facebook and doing nothing else. Now that wouldn't be a problem, but it is summer time, I live on an island and my shop is 10 meters from a beach. And still people are wasting time and money to go to Facebook, and they are not tourists who want to contact their family but locals who just want to go to Facebook in the middle of a warm, perfect summer day. That is something strange to me.

Of course there are people who are generally interested in computers, but I have a couple of friends/cousins who are telling me how they forgot a lot about computer use in the last couple of years. The reason? They spend 90% of their time on Facebook, so they don't learn and explore new things surrounding computers. That is not an isolated case, it is in fact, a growing fact. Today you can have absolutely everything in one place and that minimizes the need to explore other sites and other things.

I also think you are quite wrong when you say it is the same when people are talking face to face and when they are "talking" in front of LCD... You do not develop social skills or learn how to communicate with people when you are online. When you are online you learn how to LOL, ROTFL, how 2 speak with numbers 4 faster typing and all sorts of things that look cool, but actually make you learn and develop wrong writing skills. Ask any professor of language in your local school and he/she will explain their problems with kids and how they write. If you are interested in why it is important for kids to be outside playing and speaking with their real friends, speak to school counselor, psychologist or psychiatrist, they can explain things from a professional side, much better than I can. I have seen people loose their real friends because of Facebook and their imaginary friends. I will not even mention how dangerous can it be to have online "friends" if you never even saw them, and have no idea who they are.

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I don't mind discussions, feel free to call my posts BS, all opinions are welcome, but do try to explore some of the problems I have stated, you will be surprised with the results. And the thing you said about hotmail and Gmail is the most incredible thing I have ever heard. Gmail has the most advanced spam filter I have ever seen, I leave my address everywhere, on porn sites, on "winner" sites, everywhere, not a single spam message gets to my Inbox. On my other Gmail, the business one I didn't get a single spam message and I have that Gmail for 3 years now. I am just careful where I leave that address. Those messages that Gmail puts into spam and are not spam, Gmail puts them there because those service providers are known to be spam-factories, so they are usually all blocked. Yahoo, Hotmail, MSN were bad and unsecure email providers always. I know, now I sound stupid, but that is one of the first thing I have learned when I first started to use the Internet and it has been the right thing. I consider myself to be very well educated about Internet security, I had a great teacher who knows what he is talking about.

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13-07-2011, 07:52 AM
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I'm forced into facebook due to activism, though I'm almost never on it. I just think its too bulky of a social network system. And the thing is loaded with ads for their idiotic games.

As far as ruining your life by being open online. I see this as a problem being caused by the older generation. Younger people seem to have a pretty good grasp of the fact that things said online don't have the same weight as things said offline. I believe that soon enough people will start to redefine the lines of public and private life. If I'm not hired due to my interests in furries, petplay, or exibitionism that's someone making a decision about my work ethic by prying into my private life. That my private life is in a public setting (the internet) does not make it public. They can have an issue when I walk one of my cats outside on a leash. People discuss their private lives online because it is a great liberating experience to be able to openly discuss things with a larger circle of like minded friends. We no longer have to peruse newspapers to find secret groups of people who share our desires, and hope that it will be fun. My take on this is that the past generation is still a bunch of prudes, and it seems pretty obvious the trend of sexual openness has come pretty far.

Seriously though I don't hide anything just type my name Lilith Isabella LaMastus and you'll find all kinds of stuff =p I even was on cam at a kittenplay site I used to mod with a poster that had my address written on it held in front of me for the people in chat =p I don't really think of it as careless because if people want to know they can find out. This way I save them the $20 to go to some little sleuthing site that will find all the info for them. The internet definitely endorses stalking.

Yay old hotmail accounts!!! I still have one with a four letter password!!! My current account though had to have 8 >.> the old account got too bogged down by spam so I made a newer active account and use my first account to sign up for things.

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15-07-2011, 08:13 AM (This post was last modified: 15-07-2011 08:52 AM by EvilMomLady.)
RE: Social Networking
(09-07-2011 03:08 AM)Filox Wrote:  I know these thing because I am IT technician and administrator in couple of companies so I see every day where the whole computer world is going and I know what people are doing on their computers.

Oh baby. I feel your pain. I used to do computer presentations & worked with CEOs, CFOs, other high levels to get their info into the show. I swear I don't know how these people found their way to water. One VP - his computer was so slow! Where did the room go? I discovered he'd never emptied his trash can. He had gb's on that thing. I said, "it's just like your real trash. You put it in the can, but sometimes you have to get up & haul it to the curb."
Here's my view on FB. Imagine you lived a long time ago in a little village. At least a couple of times a week, you'd go to the baker. Now Bob was at the baker's yesterday & told the sad story of how 2 sheep died, but his brother is visiting this week & that's nice. You go in & chat with the baker & he tells you about Bob, just like he tells everyone who comes in. You leave with this fleshed out awareness of what's going on in your community.

I view FB as something like the village square. You go there & you hear what people think is worth talking about in one quick info dump. You don't have to talk to each person your own self, you just collect the cliff notes version.

Now this is how FB can be the most useful, & that' how I & many people I know use it. We post events, parties, pix of note. I can scan the page & come away with a feel for the parties, art openings, art walks, movies. It's also great for staying in lite touch with otherwise annoying relatives, like my cousins in Alabama. NO thank you on your "press like if you love our lord Jesus Christ" posts, but at least I know what your kids look like & how the weather has been without you & I having to actually interact. So I think it does have a genuine 'keeping your finger on the pulse of your tribe' thing going on.

The drag is many people don't get this. Hello. If I run into you on the street, is the first thing out of your mouth going to be that your cat just loves the smell of clean laundry & likes to sleep in the basket? No? Because that'll make you sound like a crazy cat person? Get a clue. It sounds even worse on FB. And I do NOT need any pictures of body parts. Someone I know only slightly, & who seems fine in person, has come down most severely in estimation thru her poorly chosen FB posts. She cut her toe & after many updates, I one day logged on to find myself looking at a picture of her toe. WTF. I know if I ran into her at the coffee shop the last thing she'd do is sit down, peel off a sock, & hold that foot up at me. Why in the world does it seem ok when you have an audience of hundreds? Too weird.

As for whoever was saying kids spend all their time on it, I pass. I have a boy who just turned 11 & he couldn't be less interested.

I am disturbed by the lack of privacy that FB engenders in the younger generation. I mean that 'check in' feature is way cool from a geek standpoint, but I prefer not to remind people I'm hours away from my unguarded house full of valuable personal stuff. And young people don't mind having the govt erode their privacy when they've become so used to sharing every damned thing on FB already. It emasculates them as a voice in protecting privacy rights.

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