Sodomy - why is it wrong?

[sporehux]

Its not wrong just disappointing, smooth bore no texture
Porn made it out to be so special. Reality is its tight for 2 seconds then meh...anticlimax



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[EvolutionKills]

(03-12-2013 01:22 AM)sporehux Wrote:  Its not wrong just disappointing, smooth bore no texture
Porn made it out to be so special. Reality is its tight for 2 seconds then meh...anticlimax



Number 1 is more fun

[sporehux]

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[alpha male]

(02-12-2013 08:24 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  My question is. Why is sodomy wrong? What is it about Sodomy that god supposedly found so objectionable? (he is cool with rape though)

I have heard the "spilled seed" biblical quote, but that just doesn't make any sense to me. Seed is spilled all the time in normal every day life*. Nocturnal emissions, all those other 300 days in a year when no egg is available, or when a woman is already pregnant and further conception cannot occur are all spilled seed?

I'm not referring to homosexual sex, either….So please refrain from rehashing the equality arguments. Heterosexuals engage in all types of oral and anal sex. Why is this immoral? If it is immoral…why isn't kissing immoral, as this is clearly not nature's intended use of our mouth….

Where do you get the idea that oral and anal sex between married heteros is immoral?

[Chippy]

(03-12-2013 02:16 AM)alpha male Wrote:  Where do you get the idea that oral and anal sex between married heteros is immoral?

Christianity: The Pope for one. Humanae Vitae re-affirmed the Roman Catholic idea that all sexual acts are to respect the unitive and procreative significance of sexual intercourse. Anal and oral sex are intrinsically sterile, they have no procreative dimension and they have no unitive dimension.[1]

Islam: Cursed is the one who approaches his wife in her rectum[2]

Judaism: Oral and anal sex are permitted but the ejaculation must occur in the vagina (see Sefer Kedushah; Chapter 21; Halacha 9)

[Dark Light]

Christianity seems to hold on to some idea of sex only as a means to reproduce. That's why sodomy is bad, that's why masturbating is bad, homosexuality is bad, and contraceptives are bad. They are really scared of sex, and nudity, but realized it must occur, so they minimize it's use to a utilitarian thing. That's the root of it all.

[Cathym112]

(02-12-2013 10:31 PM)Chippy Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:24 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  My question is. Why is sodomy wrong?

Because it casues earthquakes. So stop doing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKqbRjRARFQ

It is a teaching contained in the Jerusalem Talmud chapter 9 section 2:

[E] Said R. Aha, “[The earth quakes] on account of the sin of homosexual acts. God said, ‘You made your genitals throb in an unnatural act. By your life, I shall shake the earth on account of [the actof] this person’". (p.335)

For those of you--from the the USA that are apparently incapable of doing otherwise--that are going to confine your scorn and vitriol to Chistians, stop and consider where these supersitions came from. Also consider that Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews still believe that one of the cause of earthquakes is sodomy. The Westboro Baptist Church are typically characterised as nutters because they see the wrathful hand of God in every natural and man-made disaster. But so too do pious Jews and it is from them that this superstition originates yet we don't hear or read any criticism of Jews--the historical and theological taproot of this supersition--lest we be labelled "anti-semitic".

The reflexive response from Americans here is "Oh but the Jews don't shove their beliefs in anyone's face". To that I respond:

(1) The Israel/Jewish lobby has a heavy influence on US foreign policy and consequently the foreign policy of its allies;

(2) The state of Israel has been the recipient of billions of dollars of foreign aid from the USA (and other nations);

(3) Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews don't minister to gentiles because they deem them "spiritually" inferior not because of some respect of liberal ideals. Refer pages 43-47 (original pagination) of Lessons in Tanya: Volume I; and

(4) If you are of Jewish ethnic extraction you are subject to proselytisation efforts by Ultra-Orthodox Jewry.

The elephant in the room is that Jews--a Middle-Eastern ethnicity--have utterly debased Western thought. Anyone that doubts this can read pre-Christian Greek philosophy and can also read Jewish gloating about this destruction (that book is from Maurice Samuel, it is not some "anti-semitic forgery").

Fair point. I'm curious though...where in my OP did I mention that this was limited to Christians? In fact, I believe the only limitations I made was to heterosexual people, as I did not want to launch into a debate about equal rights.

I don't have a lot of interactions with ultra Orthodox Jews other than a few people in my building. I push the elevator button for them during sabbath. But it's been my experience that they distrust outsiders.

Hasidic men flip out if - in a crowded subway - you touch them. Often impossible as we can be crammed in like sardines. I get frustrated because although I understand they can't touch anyone but their wife, I'm not doing it on purpose, nor do I want anything to do with them once I get off on my stop. I want to tell them, fucking relax.

[Cathym112]

(03-12-2013 12:08 AM)nach_in Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 11:42 PM)Chippy Wrote:  Which contradicts your contention that the prohibition on homosexuality is about "control". There are many ancient societies--besides Sparta--that weren't free by the standards of the West today and they did not prohibit homosexuality. The idea that morality is that activity which is concerned with appeasing an angry deity entered into Western thought via Judaism. You can read Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics to get an idea of how the Ancient Greeks viewed morality prior to Jewish contamination.

You are inventing fairy-tales that erase the damage Jews have done to Western thought.

First of all, I clarified that I think homosexuality is one of a varied set of ways of control. Not every society use every way.

I didn't talked about the jews and I don't give a fuck about your, apparently, very anti-semitic remarks.

I'm just saying that the control of human needs and desires is a usual way in every society to establish and maintain control of the people. In every power relationship you'll find some sort of prohibition of some basic need, whereas is food, sex or clothing is irrelevant and if it is embedded in a mythological narrative is also irrelevant to my point.

Nach - (my phone keeps wanting to autocorrect your name to nachos)

In his defense, what chippy said was in no way anti-semetic, anymore than what we criticise about Christians is anti-Christian.

His criticisms regarding Jewish culture is apt. I think what he was pointing out was that we seem fearful of criticizing it because it will be automatically labeled as anti-Semitic (you just demonstrated that he was right) ugh...the words "chippy is right" tastes like vinegar!

Chippy isn't racist...he hates everyone equally.

[Cathym112]

(03-12-2013 12:37 AM)Chippy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:08 AM)nach_in Wrote:  First of all, I clarified that I think homosexuality is one of a varied set of ways of control. Not every society use every way.

Everyone does it except those that don't.

Quote:I didn't talked about the jews and I don't give a fuck about your, apparently, very anti-semitic remarks.

Idiot. Prior to the influence of Judaism on Europe via Christianity, homosexuality was not deemed to warrant the death penalty. That is the central point here. Your bullshit theorising about "power relationship[s]" doesn't change that.

Quote:I'm just saying that the control of human needs and desires is a usual way in every society to establish and maintain control of the people.

Bullshit. Not every (your word) society is/was like North Korea.

Quote: In every power relationship you'll find some sort of prohibition of some basic need, whereas is food, sex or clothing is irrelevant a...

Bullshit. What "basic need" is prohibited in Australia or New Zealand?

Chip - seriously dude. Is there a particular reason that you look to fight with almost everyone? It seems to me that no one - except you of course - can make a valid point.

Also, you keep bringing almost every conversation back to examples of Australia yet you accuse other of being ethnocentric.

This is a discussion not a debate. I didn't say in the OP, "is sodomy immoral?", I said "why is.." Indicating that I want to discuss...not debate.

There is no need for every point someone makes to be so heavy handed or knee deep in references or rhetoric. Take it down a notch will ya?

[Hafnof]

How do they say? "無"[1].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(negative)