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12-01-2015, 03:12 PM (This post was last modified: 13-01-2015 03:13 PM by TheInquisition.)
Solar energy needed to initiate the Noahtic flood- wouldn't we fry?
I was just thinking about this, how much energy would be required to create the clouds necessary to dump another volume of water on us equivalent to another ocean on top of the one we already have?

I have read that the amount of rain that would be required from the Noahtic flood to cover Mt. Everest would be 30 feet per hour or 9.15 meters per hour for 40 days.

Compare this with the most intense rainfall ever recorded at 12 inches/30.48 cm per hour.

(feel free to double-check my math)

This is 30 times greater than the most intense rainfall in history!

It's been calculated that such an intense rainfall would have literally boiled the oceans, but I would also suspect that such an intense amount of sunlight to evaporate that much water would have fried every living thing on the planet before it had a chance to flood.

Thus my dilemma, I suspect it, but I need to go through the math/physics to calculate this, but I don't know the formula or the variable values. All I know is that the normal sunlight intensity for the planet is 340W/sq. meter, which supports the normal hydrological cycle.

I suspect we would have been like ants under a magnifying glass for about a week leading up to the flood to drive the evaporative process necessary to create the flood in the first place.

This would highlight the breathtaking ignorance of this myth. I am not a physicist or meteorologist, so I just don't know.....Consider

Updated from a later post:

The Earth's average temperature is 16C, so a global average temperature of 53.5C (128.3 F) would be needed to evaporate that much water over a 100 year period.

So what would it be like in Noah's time? Imagine a 53.5C (128.3 F) average temperature with no rain for 100 years. This is the best-case scenario where the evaporative cycle for the flood is aided by 50% contribution from "fountains of the deep" and it occurs slowly over 100 years during construction of the ark.

The trees needed to build the ark wouldn't have survived a year under such conditions, all life on Earth would have been extinguished, including Noah.

The Earth is rendered an uninhabitable wasteland in the process of evaporating that much water to produce the flood!

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12-01-2015, 03:33 PM
RE: Solar energy needed to initiate the Noahtic flood- wouldn't we fry?
This also drives home the fact that sunlight would have to vary in intensity by a considerable amount, it's not just a deluge on one planet, it requires the cooperation of the sun as an energy source.

Such an intense blast of solar radiation would have left traces throughout the solar system. Evidence of such scope, that no scientific theory would be able to explain this period of intense radiation, I suspect the solar wind would have increased an order of magnitude at least and would have left substantial amounts of isotopes in the lunar samples we would have brought back from the Apollo moon missions.

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12-01-2015, 03:57 PM
RE: Solar energy needed to initiate the Noahtic flood- wouldn't we fry?
Yabut, Noah days are not necessarily 24 hours long. Checkmate, atheist. Tongue

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12-01-2015, 04:19 PM
RE: Solar energy needed to initiate the Noahtic flood- wouldn't we fry?
God did it. Nuff said Big Grin
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12-01-2015, 06:34 PM
RE: Solar energy needed to initiate the Noahtic flood- wouldn't we fry?
Invoking magic solves a multitude of problems. 4 year olds do it constantly.

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12-01-2015, 08:30 PM (This post was last modified: 12-01-2015 08:38 PM by TheInquisition.)
RE: Solar energy needed to initiate the Noahtic flood- wouldn't we fry?
So reviewing this bizarre flood myth, there were many points of impossibility:

1.The water simply isn't there, the atmosphere simply cannot hold enough water to cause a deluge of that magnitude without becoming unbreathable from the incredible moisture content and pressure, as well as far surpassing any dew point for the generation for rain.
The damn would break long before it could hold that volume of water as well as making life impossible on the surface before the first rain drop fell.

2.The solar energy required to generate such a deluge would have fried everything on the surface of the earth, the energy demands are simply too great and would turn the earth into a blast furnace.

3. The sun would have an enormous variation of it's output at that time, this has not been observed for any stable yellow G5 dwarf star. This level of energy output would require the sun to basically go nova- goodbye Earth!

The energy requirements for this flood scenario as well as the complexity have just increased by many orders of magnitude. At what point does the incredulity become too great?

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12-01-2015, 10:15 PM
RE: Solar energy needed to initiate the Noahtic flood- wouldn't we fry?
(12-01-2015 03:12 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  I was just thinking about this, how much energy would be required to create the clouds necessary to dump another volume of water on us equivalent to another ocean on top of the one we already have?

You're overthinking it. Most creationists just start off with the water created in the air. Earth was made with this giant built-in sprinkler system. Also you need to figure how much was released by the "fountains of the deep".

In the end it doesn't matter how they do it, it just doesn't work. The math is inescapable.

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12-01-2015, 11:22 PM (This post was last modified: 12-01-2015 11:26 PM by cactus.)
RE: Solar energy needed to initiate the Noahtic flood- wouldn't we fry?
Actually, if you read the original transcript, God teleported the ark to the ocean planet of Manaan. Noah was inside the ark at the time, so he wouldn't have noticed the abrupt change in scenery. While he was chilling out with the Selkath in a galaxy far far away, God was busy casting Animagus spells on all the living creatures back on Earth, turning them into dinosaurs. Why dinosaurs, you may ask? Well, He intelligently designed the dinosaurs in such a way that they were incapable of feeling pain. This allowed Him to wipe out the remaining population in the most humane way possible. After a few dozen asteroid strikes, God had destroyed all the things, and He saw that it was good.

God then returned Noah back to the deserted planet Earth, and perched his vessel atop the mountains of Error@Line4: Ark Not Found. Sadly, none of the animals survived the return trip, except for a couple of stowaway Selkath who were found hiding under a pile of moist animal dung. The angel Moroni then appeared before Noah and said unto him, "Thou shalt not commit incest with thine family, for it is mostly an abomination, mostly. Thou shalt instead copulate with the Selkath, and shalt name thine amphibious son 'Tiktaalik,' for he shall be the father of many kinds."

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12-01-2015, 11:36 PM
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(12-01-2015 11:22 PM)cactus Wrote:  Actually, if you read the original transcript, God teleported the ark to the ocean planet of Manaan. Noah was inside the ark at the time, so he wouldn't have noticed the abrupt change in scenery. While he was chilling out with the Selkath in a galaxy far far away, God was busy casting Animagus spells on all the living creatures back on Earth, turning them into dinosaurs. Why dinosaurs, you may ask? Well, He intelligently designed the dinosaurs in such a way that they were incapable of feeling pain. This allowed Him to wipe out the remaining population in the most humane way possible. After a few dozen asteroid strikes, God had destroyed all the things, and He saw that it was good.

God then returned Noah back to the deserted planet Earth, and perched his vessel atop the mountains of Error@Line4: Ark Not Found. Sadly, none of the animals survived the return trip, except for a couple of stowaway Selkath who were found hiding under a pile of moist animal dung. The angel Moroni then appeared before Noah and said unto him, "Thou shalt not commit incest with thine family, for it is mostly an abomination, mostly. Thou shalt instead copulate with the Selkath, and shalt name thine amphibious son 'Tiktaalik,' for he shall be the father of many kinds."

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13-01-2015, 06:15 AM
RE: Solar energy needed to initiate the Noahtic flood- wouldn't we fry?
(12-01-2015 11:22 PM)cactus Wrote:  Actually, if you read the original transcript, God teleported the ark to the ocean planet of Manaan. Noah was inside the ark at the time, so he wouldn't have noticed the abrupt change in scenery. While he was chilling out with the Selkath in a galaxy far far away, God was busy casting Animagus spells on all the living creatures back on Earth, turning them into dinosaurs. Why dinosaurs, you may ask? Well, He intelligently designed the dinosaurs in such a way that they were incapable of feeling pain. This allowed Him to wipe out the remaining population in the most humane way possible. After a few dozen asteroid strikes, God had destroyed all the things, and He saw that it was good.

God then returned Noah back to the deserted planet Earth, and perched his vessel atop the mountains of Error@Line4: Ark Not Found. Sadly, none of the animals survived the return trip, except for a couple of stowaway Selkath who were found hiding under a pile of moist animal dung. The angel Moroni then appeared before Noah and said unto him, "Thou shalt not commit incest with thine family, for it is mostly an abomination, mostly. Thou shalt instead copulate with the Selkath, and shalt name thine amphibious son 'Tiktaalik,' for he shall be the father of many kinds."

LOL! That story actually makes more sense and doesn't have as many falsifiable points as the story of Noah.

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