Somehing Christians Should NEVER EVER EVER Use For Proof
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06-05-2013, 02:51 PM
RE: Somehing Christians Should NEVER EVER EVER Use For Proof
(06-05-2013 02:49 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(06-05-2013 02:44 PM)childeye Wrote:  "The rules were never meant to make men righteous, but rather to show all men were sinners."

Clearly you misunderstand. I see nothing abusive about teaching someobody something for the sake of correction.

Okay, I see your point now. However, God does not demand worship. As has been said through out history, to know Him is to Love Him. As for hell, I believe it is that place where people are, who never learn to trust in the Holy God that is Love. Hence the fire is that Truth that burns forever, but without faith one can never learn. They are like men following an eternal line trying to prove it ends and will never find rest.

Love isn't compulsory.
True, but it is compelling.
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06-05-2013, 02:51 PM
RE: Somehing Christians Should NEVER EVER EVER Use For Proof
(06-05-2013 02:49 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(06-05-2013 02:33 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Judaism and Islam both claim to predict their own spread. Is that not the fulfillment of their prophecy that lends them as much credibility as your own religions prophecy?
Oh I see. You are talking about spreading all over the world. Judaism doen't fall into this category as far as I know. Judaism was centered around a temple that no longer exists. As for Islam, Islam does wish to take over the world, but they have no Gospel Truth. Their method is through forced capitulation as far as I can tell.

They have no gospel truth? Neither do you. You have the bible, they have the Qua'ran. Same thing, different language.

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06-05-2013, 02:53 PM
RE: Somehing Christians Should NEVER EVER EVER Use For Proof
(06-05-2013 02:51 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(06-05-2013 02:49 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Love isn't compulsory.
True, but it is compelling.

That makes no sense. You can't command someone to love you. That is not what love is.

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06-05-2013, 02:57 PM
RE: Somehing Christians Should NEVER EVER EVER Use For Proof
(06-05-2013 02:51 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(06-05-2013 02:49 PM)childeye Wrote:  Oh I see. You are talking about spreading all over the world. Judaism doen't fall into this category as far as I know. Judaism was centered around a temple that no longer exists. As for Islam, Islam does wish to take over the world, but they have no Gospel Truth. Their method is through forced capitulation as far as I can tell.

They have no gospel truth? Neither do you. You have the bible, they have the Qua'ran. Same thing, different language.
Seriously? You see no difference between a guy being crucified and forgiving his crucifiers, and another guy killing all infidels? They are polar opposites.
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06-05-2013, 03:00 PM
RE: Somehing Christians Should NEVER EVER EVER Use For Proof
(06-05-2013 02:53 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(06-05-2013 02:51 PM)childeye Wrote:  True, but it is compelling.

That makes no sense. You can't command someone to love you. That is not what love is.
Yes I completely agree. That is the whole point of the New Testament.
The New Testament is saying that Love is the goodness in mankind and it cannot be brought about by commandments.
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06-05-2013, 03:05 PM
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(06-05-2013 02:16 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:Soothsaying and divination were forbidden. It's irrelevant AND you forgot to say where.
You are a joke SexuallyPleasingJebusTrollJoke.
And IF "the exact date" was predicted for the crucifixion, why, SPJTJ are they DIFFERENT in the synoptics and John. Which one was it ? Liar.
In 3 of the gospels it was one day. In 1 the next. Which day was it. John changed it to make it *appear* he was the *lamb*.
Take a class, you two. Why do atheists know more about your stupid books than you do ?
I could care less how Strong tries to rationalize it. If he was a god, he could have spoken plainly.
He cannot be said to be the messiah if he didn't get his job done, and still has not.
This is just silly. You may want to Google "erev Passover and Passover" and figure this one out.

How lame. You said it predicts the EXACT day. The days are diferent in the gospels. Fail. You are not going to SexuallyPlease your Jebus by that sort of non-response. How can a day be exact if it's two different days. "Google it" ? You can't be serious.

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06-05-2013, 03:06 PM
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(06-05-2013 03:05 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(06-05-2013 02:16 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  This is just silly. You may want to Google "erev Passover and Passover" and figure this one out.

How lame. You said it predicts the EXACT day. The days are diferent in the gospels. Fail. You are not going to SexuallyPlease your Jebus by that sort of non-response. How can a day be exact if it's two different days. "Google it" ? You can't be serious.
Actually there can be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this.
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06-05-2013, 03:59 PM
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(06-05-2013 02:21 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:The first one is already debunked due to resons already mentioned several times.

The second...I Assume you're referring to Ezekiel's prophecy on his side.

Problem 1. There is no reason to convert the Jewish years to our years, as apologists say, without which the prophecy is wrong.

Problem 2. There is no scriptural indication that God punished the Jews for "Remaining in Pagan Babylon", none, none at all.

Problem 3. 1948 Cannot be considered the end of the Jew exile for the reason that the Jews were gathered back into their homeland independently twice since Ezekiel's prophecy, no reason to single out one instance.

So once you add in things that are not in the prophecy, sure it fits, but not as it is written in the book. And besides, You REALLY thinik the God of the OT would support modern Israel?, Really

*The historicity of the crucified and baptized Jesus is only in doubt on this forum:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

"Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed,[1][2][3][4] and although there is little agreement on the historicity of gospel narratives and their theological assertions of his divinity,[5][6][7][8] biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted."

1. What the heck are you referring to? How do you think Mayan prophecies are reported as affecting our calendar? By calendar conversion. The Jewish prophecy tells a date for the secular restoration of Israel in ONE DAY, which date becomes May 14, 1948 CE. HOW DO WE CONVERSE without such conversions, since I call the date AD and you call it CE? Probably the worst refutation of a prophecy, ever.

2. I never said the punishment had to do with a remnant only returning from Babylon. Where did you get that from?

3. The reason to single out the instance is that the prophecy(s) refer to a nation born in ONE DAY, which day the U.N. declared the homeland restored in a (then) unique event in history on May 14, 1948 AD (CE).


The Prophecy was given to EZEKIEL, a 6th century BC Jew, Why would God use our modern Calendar? Besides, Mayan prophecies don't mean shit and are absolutely retarded, you know, like how we're here having this argument in 2013?

2. Most people say the prophecy was fulfilled because God multiplied the Jews punishment times seven for not coming out of Babylon, but there is nothing in the Bible that says that.

3. EVERY SINGLE NATION EVER IS BORN IN A DAY, they are all declared on a certain date, Israel took years of Zionist campaigning and guilt over the Holocaust
to be brought into existence, it didn't just "poof" into being one day.
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06-05-2013, 04:05 PM
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06-05-2013, 04:06 PM
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