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08-01-2014, 04:28 PM
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Damn - like banging your forehead against a jagged rock! I get into it with my mother in law from time to time and she just drains me by dodging points and twisting information in her favor. To be that convinced it is true just boggles my mind and always has, since my first cognitive though as a child.

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08-01-2014, 04:32 PM
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Your father had never heard of the Crusades? Was he raised by wolves? Consider

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08-01-2014, 05:11 PM
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(08-01-2014 04:17 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  You seem awfully familiar to me.

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Are you sure you're from Cali?

You just really remind me of someone named Ryan, who is 18, and is considering atheism; likewise, his father sounds like your father...

Lol, well first off Ryan is a VERY common name. I personally know over 15 other Ryan's. Secondly, I'm not "considering" atheism, I've been an atheist for about 5-6 years.
But it is possible you know me from another forum, Xbox 360 gaming, YouTube, or maybe travel. I've been to most states (big family) and out of country.

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08-01-2014, 05:13 PM
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(08-01-2014 04:28 PM)Timber1025 Wrote:  Damn - like banging your forehead against a jagged rock! I get into it with my mother in law from time to time and she just drains me by dodging points and twisting information in her favor. To be that convinced it is true just boggles my mind and always has, since my first cognitive though as a child.

Exactly, I feel your pain bro

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08-01-2014, 05:16 PM
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(08-01-2014 04:32 PM)Chas Wrote:  Your father had never heard of the Crusades? Was he raised by wolves? Consider

I wondered the samething, I asked him later and he admitted he knew of it (just that the "Muslims attacked Christianity"), so I'm assuming just tried to dodge the question.
(yes I didn't bother explaining the whole mess to him)

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08-01-2014, 05:26 PM
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I'm interested in the words of encouragement here to "keep going!" and "there's still hope!"

Is it an atheist's duty to try to make believers use rational thinking?

As an atheist, doesn't it tick you off when Christians try to convert you?

Golden Rule: Treat others how you'd want to be treated. Is your father in your face about this, trying to bring you back to his Christian side? If yes, then by all means hit him with both barrels. But if not, leave it alone.

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08-01-2014, 05:33 PM
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(08-01-2014 05:26 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  I'm interested in the words of encouragement here to "keep going!" and "there's still hope!"

Is it an atheist's duty to try to make believers use rational thinking?

As an atheist, doesn't it tick you off when Christians try to convert you?

Golden Rule: Treat others how you'd want to be treated. Is your father in your face about this, trying to bring you back to his Christian side? If yes, then by all means hit him with both barrels. But if not, leave it alone.

This is a very fair statement. In all honesty, he used to be. Now not so much, normally it's an arrogant/ignorant statement he makes about something to me that sets me off. That's when I "give him both barrels" (and what started this argument). But to be fair, yes I have started my share of arguments.

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08-01-2014, 05:37 PM
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Time is precious man. If he's not pissing you off or trying to convert you then just be happy you have a dad. Who cares what he thinks, you know what is true to you.

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08-01-2014, 05:42 PM
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(08-01-2014 05:37 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Time is precious man. If he's not pissing you off or trying to convert you then just be happy you have a dad. Who cares what he thinks, you know what is true to you.

Don't forget to love him, right? That's also what I meant by patience. Try not to let it devolve into just an argument.

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08-01-2014, 05:52 PM
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(08-01-2014 05:37 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Time is precious man. If he's not pissing you off or trying to convert you then just be happy you have a dad. Who cares what he thinks, you know what is true to you.

(08-01-2014 05:42 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  Don't forget to love him, right? That's also what I meant by patience. Try not to let it devolve into just an argument.

Don't get me wrong guys, I love my dad (when he was there that is). We had a rocky start, but it's smoothed out over the years. He's a great guy, a good role model, it's just we are so different in how we think that if we spend too much time together we're bound to fight about something.

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