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15-06-2017, 07:01 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(15-06-2017 06:53 PM)Born Again Pagan Wrote:  
(23-05-2017 07:49 PM)socialistview Wrote:  A jewish friend told me that God Yaweh from the jewish religion says that all others religions did human sacrifices and By law God gave said to not do human sacrifices. As i studied more into the canaan conquest i have read that the canaans already knew about what God did for the jews in egypt(to add to my argument my jewish friend told me that when the isrealites were laugh at the egyptian soldiers drowning God said those are my children too just they needed to be punished for oppressing.) and trembled but did not change their ways. Do you think its was still unjustified for god to genocidally kill canaan for human sacrifice? Blush

A made up God can do whatever he or she wishes and it has zero relevance to reality.

how you know hes made up
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15-06-2017, 10:54 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
You've been here for about a year. Nothing has stuck.

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15-06-2017, 11:36 PM (This post was last modified: 16-06-2017 05:33 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(15-06-2017 07:01 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(15-06-2017 06:53 PM)Born Again Pagan Wrote:  A made up God can do whatever he or she wishes and it has zero relevance to reality.

how you know hes made up

Because we pay attention. You should try it sometime...

Also, grammar would help. Like, a lot.

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16-06-2017, 05:21 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(15-06-2017 06:44 PM)socialistview Wrote:  god doesnt go beyond his guidlines its likewhen you say we have been waiting for 2000 years for jesus second coming but does a tree grow over night. It clearly states in the bible that the ones given the prophecies wont see them happen.

Yes, Ralph, but remember that Jesus stated quite clearly that some of the people he was talking to WOULD see his return. Do try to read all the bits, not just the pieces that support your delusions.

Quote: Even stories like abraham had to wait to have a child so much in unbelief that They had a slave girl have sex with him instead of listening to the voice in his head. Abraham never saw the nations.

He had a SLAVE girl have sex with him... and then agreed without hesitation to kill his child... don't fucking EVER hold up Abraham as a lodestone for morality and try to whitewash over the truly disgusting nature of that story.

Quote:Neccesary evil god is judge of everything no matter if you like it or not and he just used the jews to carry out his judgement.

Yes, we know that the fictional character you worship is a moral thug. Do you have anything new to add or will you just keep repeating this nonsense as if hearing immoral stories multiple times will somehow make them moral?

Quote: And the lady is named eiva bowers but me i dont give you no prosperity gospel preach but just to be a caring person who is willing to help someone in need thats all i say a christian life is everything is "bullshit" hint the curse word meaning i live like you just i care for you.

Yes, Ralph, whatever you say, Ralph. Does your cat's breath smell like tuna?

Free clue: being a decent human being doesn't require religion; from what I've seen it is much easier and natural without it.

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16-06-2017, 05:29 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(15-06-2017 07:01 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(15-06-2017 06:53 PM)Born Again Pagan Wrote:  A made up God can do whatever he or she wishes and it has zero relevance to reality.

how you know hes made up

Do you see that negative rating by your rep? That's how convincing your arguments are, it's also a measure of your inability to process such information and apply it. You would apply this information by ceasing to make more posts and acknowledging that whatever you are doing here is totally ineffective, it is so ineffective that you are actually having the opposite effect of convincing anyone of anything.

So your negative rep can mean several things, let's break it down:

1. Your views are unconvincing.

2. You are a terrible communicator.

3. You don't seem to understand this and continue your trollish posting here.

4. You can't or won't acknowledge the reality of how you are perceived on this forum.

5. You are delusional.

If you were my next door neighbor, I would have told you I'm not interested in your religious claptrap and please stop talking about it. If you were a normal person that doesn't wish to be seen as an annoying asshole, you would cease talking about your religious claptrap.

If you have even a modicum of self-awareness you would acknowledge that you have achieved nothing on this forum and you have been written off as another religious kook and that no one is listening to you anymore.

You are not scoring any Jesus points by continuing to make inane and useless non-sequitors, but you are giving people that may be lurking a lot of smh moments as they watch you defend immoral things in your story book. No

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16-06-2017, 06:14 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(09-06-2017 10:23 AM)socialistview Wrote:  well mises (sic) was the one who commanded that and almost didnt (sic) go to heaven or see the promise land. god didnt (sic) agree with everything theisrealites (sic) did but theres (sic) a time for everything. You should know as scholoars (sic) outside sources of the bible say they didnt (sic) kill everybody. But yes i have read job job recieved (sic) twice as much from what he had.

> Yes, Job received twice as much as he had AFTER God sanctioned the unjustifiable MURDERS of his family and servants, and the wanton destruction of his property, and AFTER Job groveled before the tyrant and abased himself like a whipped dog. God, in this tale, is clearly beneath what any rational person should consider to be a moral being. Anyone who derives anything uplifting or inspiring from such a story must also be considered morally deficient and/or perverse. Consider
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16-06-2017, 06:50 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(16-06-2017 06:14 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  > Yes, Job received twice as much as he had AFTER God sanctioned the unjustifiable MURDERS of his family and servants, and the wanton destruction of his property, and AFTER Job groveled before the tyrant and abased himself like a whipped dog. God, in this tale, is clearly beneath what any rational person should consider to be a moral being. Anyone who derives anything uplifting or inspiring from such a story must also be considered morally deficient and/or perverse. Consider

God: "I could kill his family and he'd still love me"
Trump: "I could shoot somebody and they'd still love me"
Consider

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16-06-2017, 01:31 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
You people just want to complain about the bible just to complain. You have no understanding of anything you want to say its fairytale becuase it has killing in it to which you think people should live morally and physically murderous and depraved without any judgement. Depraved meaning if you could see the great wrong you do without being manipulated be the propagandized media telling you what they want you to know you would see how evil we are. He the bible itself says its in your heart to be fair and just but it seems like you dont want to be fair and just just go about your own selfish ambitions climbing over anyone that stands it your way not caring to give a helping hand. Gods not asking you for your oppinion on what you think these stories may contain he tries to explain to you his reasons for doing things becuase job still had sin and so punishable and gods telling you that if no change happens judgement is coming.
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16-06-2017, 01:45 PM (This post was last modified: 16-06-2017 02:10 PM by Szuchow.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(16-06-2017 01:31 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You people just want to complain about the bible just to complain. You have no understanding of anything you want to say its fairytale becuase it has killing in it to which you think people should live morally and physically murderous and depraved without any judgement. Depraved meaning if you could see the great wrong you do without being manipulated be the propagandized media telling you what they want you to know you would see how evil we are. He the bible itself says its in your heart to be fair and just but it seems like you dont want to be fair and just just go about your own selfish ambitions climbing over anyone that stands it your way not caring to give a helping hand. Gods not asking you for your oppinion on what you think these stories may contain he tries to explain to you his reasons for doing things becuase job still had sin and so punishable and gods telling you that if no change happens judgement is coming.

God isn't asking us anything as he is just a construction of your* fool's wit. But you just showed (again) how revolting human being you are. If by chance you aren't troll (which I highly doubt) then I pity you as it's you who is indoctrination greatest victim. We only have to tolerate you here whereas you must live with yourself.

*Not really, but when one has occasion to quote Mephistopheles (not one from Goethe Faust sadly) then one grabs it.

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

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16-06-2017, 02:23 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(16-06-2017 01:31 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You people just want to complain about the bible just to complain.

No, we have serious moral objections to the stories found in your holy book, just as you have serious moral objections about the stories found in other holy books, such as the Qur'an. You are simply too blinded by your rose-colored glasses to see it, so you must accuse us rather than face the simple truth.

(16-06-2017 01:31 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You have no understanding of anything you want to say its fairytale becuase it has killing in it to which you think people should live morally and physically murderous and depraved without any judgement.

Actually, several of us (as has been pointed out to you repeatedly, you dense motherfucker) have degrees in this subject, or have taken classes on the history of the Bible and the cultures/religions of the Ancient Near East. It is you who proves, with every post you make, that you can do nothing other than parrot what your preachers tell you. It's sad, really.

But no, we are not saying it's a fairytale because it has killing in it. We say it's a fairytale because it has magic in it.

We object to the stories because they are immoral by any modern standard-- humanity has literally advanced beyond the beliefs of those who wrote those stories. Back in the Iron Age, they did not have an issue with a god who made a bet over the life of a human and killed his children just to see if he'd keep worshiping. Of course, most people back then understood that this was a parable, not a recounting of a true event, and would find your literalism hilarious... but that's another issue.

(16-06-2017 01:31 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Depraved meaning if you could see the great wrong you do without being manipulated be the propagandized media telling you what they want you to know you would see how evil we are.

Oh, good. I love a conspiracy theory!

But this is not about how evil your religion claims we are, in order to invent the problem for which it sells the "cure", but about the deity that your holy book is promoting.

It is clear to anyone who is not biased to believe the cult's teachings against all evidence that the actions of the character in this holy book of yours are immoral beyond almost literally anything I could imagine: ordering genocide of people because they did not obey laws of a god to whom they did not think they were subject? killing the family of a man who was holy just to see if he'd stay holy? commanding a man to murder his own son just to prove how faithful he was to the voices in his head?

(16-06-2017 01:31 PM)socialistview Wrote:  He the bible itself says its in your heart to be fair and just but it seems like you dont want to be fair and just just go about your own selfish ambitions climbing over anyone that stands it your way not caring to give a helping hand.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, YOU BRAINLESS TWIT?

Secular Humanism, the philosophy to which most of us here loosely subscribe, is all about empathizing with and helping your fellow human beings because this life is the only one we have, and we all together create the world/society in which we all must live.

Do not lie about what we believe, to our faces, and expect us to be nice to you in any way, shape, or form.

Twit.

(16-06-2017 01:31 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Gods not asking you for your oppinion on what you think these stories may contain he tries to explain to you his reasons for doing things becuase job still had sin and so punishable and gods telling you that if no change happens judgement is coming.

God's not really doing anything except in stories that start with once upon a time.

You're a warped person who has been convinced you are broken so that the people peddling that religion can count on your groveling devotion (and ideally, 10% of your paycheck) for their employment.

What you seem incapable of understanding is that we see quite well what the explanations given by the book (and by you) for the reason behind the immoral actions we describe... and we find that those explanations make them LESS moral, and certainly nothing even close to justified.

Try to imagine I was telling you a story about a Sultan of Arabia who, being the powerful man he was, made a bet with one of his political rivals that he was so popular he could murder the man's family and take away everything that man had (and worse), and the man would still be loyal to his king.

What would you think about that king, after he had the children murdered, the man's house destroyed, and all the man's property stolen?

Would it make it better somehow if, after proving the loyalty of his subject and winning the bet, the king then gave the man a bigger house and more money? Would that restore the lives that were taken, the misery that the king inflicted, all because of a bet with a rival?

That's what I mean by rose-colored glasses. If you were not so prejudiced in how you view these stories, you would see them as clearly as we (and everyone else who is not of your religion) see them... as disgusting examples of immoral acts by an evil, but fictional, character on the order of Vader or Voldemort.

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