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19-08-2017, 11:18 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(19-08-2017 10:48 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(19-08-2017 08:41 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  No offense, but that sounds like a cop-out. Why is a god committing atrocious acts not considered evil?

Are you just looking at what he did or not the reason?

As I've said quite a few times, I've already studied the Bible, many times over, in may translations and languages. I'm not sure why that's tripping you up. I used to be a good little Christian and do my scholarly work on it and write treatises.

I'm not going to say that again.
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19-08-2017, 11:22 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(18-08-2017 07:43 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  
(18-08-2017 06:55 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  You'll have to be specific. That's a rather vague question.

What do you think about religion? Spirituality? What's your overall take on the purpose of life? Why do you think the universe (including everything in it) exists?

The problem is this: You're not looking for a real discussion. You're looking for an argument. Nearly every post you've made is combative or is a setup for an argument. I'm trying to be respectful, even a little bit humorous, but you're definitely not going to do the same.

There is no reason for me to reply when I know you're just looking for another person with which to argue. I'm not to going to fight with you. I wanted to learn what you believe and why, but you're just here to argue and fight. There are other theists with whom I can have real discussions.
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20-08-2017, 05:55 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(19-08-2017 07:15 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Dont you make an hypothesis on what you think will happen.

I take science courses, I am qualified to answer; a hypothesis is a provisional explanation for a given phenomenon, so yes; they are based on expectation. The key point here is that they are always provisional. A hypothesis, as opposed to religious assumption, can be dismissed based on data derived from experimentation, and replaced by a better hypothesis which better explains the new data.

(19-08-2017 08:57 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  
(19-08-2017 05:00 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  11/9 trutherism, transdimensional reptiles, Trump being a good person, spirit healers...

Why would you lump all of those things together? That's lazy.
(19-08-2017 09:05 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  
(19-08-2017 09:00 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  Wouldn't lazy have been naming only one thing?

What does "Trump being a good person" have to do with anything? That's stupid.

Actually, if you think about it you'll find all the things on that list have a common theme.

(19-08-2017 10:46 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(19-08-2017 08:06 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  So god can create evil, but not do evil (ignoring the fact of culpability there)?

How would you know the difference?

How would I know the difference between doing evil vs creating it? I wouldn't. Because there isn't a difference; creating evil is itself an act of evil.

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20-08-2017, 05:59 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(19-08-2017 11:22 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  
(18-08-2017 07:43 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  What do you think about religion? Spirituality? What's your overall take on the purpose of life? Why do you think the universe (including everything in it) exists?

The problem is this: You're not looking for a real discussion. You're looking for an argument. Nearly every post you've made is combative or is a setup for an argument. I'm trying to be respectful, even a little bit humorous, but you're definitely not going to do the same.

There is no reason for me to reply when I know you're just looking for another person with which to argue. I'm not to going to fight with you. I wanted to learn what you believe and why, but you're just here to argue and fight. There are other theists with whom I can have real discussions.

Many have tried your approach all have failed including me, that's why I just enjoy ripping on him now, if he changes, makes an effort and stops with stupidity and crass long debunked apologetics no longer even used by AIG then so will my attitude but I'm not holding my breath same goes for socialist view but he's even worse Imo. Both are trolls too, either that or they're slightly insane.
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20-08-2017, 12:25 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(20-08-2017 05:59 AM)adey67 Wrote:  
(19-08-2017 11:22 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  The problem is this: You're not looking for a real discussion. You're looking for an argument. Nearly every post you've made is combative or is a setup for an argument. I'm trying to be respectful, even a little bit humorous, but you're definitely not going to do the same.

There is no reason for me to reply when I know you're just looking for another person with which to argue. I'm not to going to fight with you. I wanted to learn what you believe and why, but you're just here to argue and fight. There are other theists with whom I can have real discussions.

Many have tried your approach all have failed including me, that's why I just enjoy ripping on him now, if he changes, makes an effort and stops with stupidity and crass long debunked apologetics no longer even used by AIG then so will my attitude but I'm not holding my breath same goes for socialist view but he's even worse Imo. Both are trolls too, either that or they're slightly insane.

well the bible says in john 8 jesus doesnt dudge but we judge by human standards but when jesus does judge he judges correctly. Am i being judged by hospital clinical insanity standards or you think my views are crazy. And which ones?
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20-08-2017, 01:14 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
What do you call a boring fruit?

A banala.

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20-08-2017, 01:15 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(20-08-2017 05:55 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(19-08-2017 07:15 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Dont you make an hypothesis on what you think will happen.

I take science courses, I am qualified to answer; a hypothesis is a provisional explanation for a given phenomenon, so yes; they are based on expectation. The key point here is that they are always provisional. A hypothesis, as opposed to religious assumption, can be dismissed based on data derived from experimentation, and replaced by a better hypothesis which better explains the new data.

Whats the difference between religious assumption and expected outcome.

(19-08-2017 08:57 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  Why would you lump all of those things together? That's lazy.
(19-08-2017 09:05 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  What does "Trump being a good person" have to do with anything? That's stupid.

Actually, if you think about it you'll find all the things on that list have a common theme.

(19-08-2017 10:46 PM)socialistview Wrote:  How would you know the difference?

How would I know the difference between doing evil vs creating it? I wouldn't. Because there isn't a difference; creating evil is itself an act of evil.

If love still results from it god can permit as much suffing as long as good switching words from love results from it. Why couldnt he let us have free will and never do evil is a stupid question because if you were aware of evil and didnt do it but stayed good your whole life but its like a baby doesnt do things ignorantly. Doing things ignorantly can cause error even in chaos there would be nothing but in a created system theirs laws to obide by not to destroy or cause error in your interaction with this system. And in so you would ignoratly cause evil to the system without knowing it till something tells you not to but its like would you like to feel pain and suffering the feeling and pain of it.
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20-08-2017, 01:18 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Free thought im not a experienced as you are on this forum but i said this also in the quote whats the difference between religious assumption and expected outcome?
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20-08-2017, 01:48 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(20-08-2017 12:25 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(20-08-2017 05:59 AM)adey67 Wrote:  Many have tried your approach all have failed including me, that's why I just enjoy ripping on him now, if he changes, makes an effort and stops with stupidity and crass long debunked apologetics no longer even used by AIG then so will my attitude but I'm not holding my breath same goes for socialist view but he's even worse Imo. Both are trolls too, either that or they're slightly insane.

well the bible says in john 8 jesus doesnt dudge but we judge by human standards but when jesus does judge he judges correctly. Am i being judged by hospital clinical insanity standards or you think my views are crazy. And which ones?
A little of both I'm afraid to say.
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20-08-2017, 02:52 PM (This post was last modified: 20-08-2017 02:55 PM by socialistview.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(20-08-2017 01:48 PM)adey67 Wrote:  
(20-08-2017 12:25 PM)socialistview Wrote:  well the bible says in john 8 jesus doesnt dudge but we judge by human standards but when jesus does judge he judges correctly. Am i being judged by hospital clinical insanity standards or you think my views are crazy. And which ones?
A little of both I'm afraid to say.

How are they crazy? And why do think gods way if im trying to follow by his views are insane.
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