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21-08-2017, 05:30 AM (This post was last modified: 21-08-2017 06:07 AM by adey67.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-08-2017 04:55 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(21-08-2017 04:26 AM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  Science/natural laws/evolution

If you can't move beyond thoughtless apologetic phrases like this and apply actual thought to demonstrate that you can move past such assertions, then there is no conversation to be had here, you should move on.

All you are doing is being annoying for Jesus.

I called him out on all this shit a few posts back, a smart person would have changed tactics or modified and dumbed down their responses, instead Angra continues blissfully as before, in effect confirming what I and many others have been saying 100%. Not very smart if you cannot see you are trapped in a hole even dumber if you keep digging in it.
At least he loves his dog though, now that's something i CAN really respect. Yes
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21-08-2017, 05:50 AM (This post was last modified: 21-08-2017 05:57 AM by Thoreauvian.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(20-08-2017 05:42 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  If God is such a bad guy, how do you explain dogs and other wonderful animals? I have a dachshund and I'm not willing to believe such a good, loveable thing came into existence for no reason?

Dogs were created from wolves by humans. Look it up.

Quote:Isn't that what atheists believe, that there's no real purpose for anything existing? That just doesn't seem realistic to me.

There may be no absolute purpose but there are pleny of relative purposes.

Quote:You don't have to believe in the Yahweh or Allah etc. necessarily, but how could you not believe in a Creator at all? How do atheists justify their rejection of a Creator? I'm not trying to pick a fight, I really just don't understand the atheist mindset. There are natural laws, sure......but how does that mean there's no Creator, or like, no force/entity/being that kickstarted the universe? A molecule just blew up and everything in the universe naturally formed itself in perfect dimensions.......for no reason? Just because? I don't think so. I'm not saying God deserves reverence/worship, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. But no God at all? That's preposterous.

No, it's not preposterous at all. Self-organization, abiogenesis, and evolution are sufficient explanations for apparent design. Even the "laws of the universe" could have self-organized simply by what worked. Anything that didn't work wouldn't last long.

Quote:What if atheists are only atheists due to a kneejerk reaction to religion, or because atheism is so radically different from theism? Surely there could be a middle ground that makes sense? I feel like theists and atheists reject a "middle ground" option 'cuz they want to be part of a defined group, which is dumb. The answer always lies somewhere in the middle.

What if being religious was all about social conformity to get ahead in life, and had nothing at all to do with intellectual honesty?

God is a hypothesis. It is far from proven, since there are strong alternative explanations for everything God is supposed to explain. This is why learning science helps people understand that atheism is reasonable.
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21-08-2017, 07:43 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-08-2017 05:50 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  God is a hypothesis. It is far from proven, since there are strong alternative explanations for everything God is supposed to explain. This is why learning science helps people understand that atheism is reasonable.
I liked your post on its merits and would add only that god is not only "far from proven" but "far from provable" since it's inherently non-falsifiable.

However we are now at 140 (count em! 140!) pages on THIS thread of all threads. I've had SV on ignore for months now and still he has an outsized influence on this forum based apparently on everyone's obsessive need to engage with him despite ample evidence that it's totally counterproductive. I guess what it really boils down to is, there's not a lot of posting volume here sometimes and people are bored.

I will admit it's a little like rubbernecking a 100 car pile-up, one can't help but perversely wonder if a single point will ever actually be addressed or even acknowledged by SV in any honest and substantive manner. Hint: nope.

Carry on ...
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21-08-2017, 08:05 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-08-2017 07:43 AM)mordant Wrote:  
(21-08-2017 05:50 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  God is a hypothesis. It is far from proven, since there are strong alternative explanations for everything God is supposed to explain. This is why learning science helps people understand that atheism is reasonable.
I liked your post on its merits and would add only that god is not only "far from proven" but "far from provable" since it's inherently non-falsifiable.

However we are now at 140 (count em! 140!) pages on THIS thread of all threads. I've had SV on ignore for months now and still he has an outsized influence on this forum based apparently on everyone's obsessive need to engage with him despite ample evidence that it's totally counterproductive. I guess what it really boils down to is, there's not a lot of posting volume here sometimes and people are bored.

I will admit it's a little like rubbernecking a 100 car pile-up, one can't help but perversely wonder if a single point will ever actually be addressed or even acknowledged by SV in any honest and substantive manner. Hint: nope.

Carry on ...

I love your posts Mordant, they are pretty much spot on insightful and epic, respect bro. Smile
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21-08-2017, 08:40 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(20-08-2017 09:09 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  
(20-08-2017 08:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  ... Why did he do that crime is the motive sincere and wanting to help othan than harm or was his motives selfish or self seeking...

Sounds like an abusive spouse. "I did it for his/her own good. Shouldn't have mouthed off or disobeyed me. See what they made me do?"

Jesus said every word will be judged
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21-08-2017, 08:48 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(20-08-2017 08:23 PM)socialistview Wrote:  pretty much jesus is saying hes not basing things from the crime itsself but by reason for the crime.
Furthermore, the Bible says we're supposed to follow Jesus and model our lives after him. But, as you said, when we do it he judges and punishes us.

So he can do it, and it's excused. He says follow his lead, and he says we're evil. So either he's evil, too, or he needs to stop punishing us for doing what he says. Oh, wait, if we don't do what he says, he punishes us anyway.

Anyone can see the inherent problems in this. Don't say you don't. This is what you get when a bunch of people write down holy text and don't all believe the same things. Yet supposedly it's all 100% true.

Also, the point you and others fail to see is this: if your god can do these horrible things, then when a loyal follower acting as his agent or proxy does it for him and in his name, then you would be required to support him. (This happens, too: Westboro Baptist Church)
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21-08-2017, 08:56 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(17-08-2017 09:59 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  
(17-08-2017 09:54 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I was asking the other loon. He's the one who said he proved the Bible.

Now hush...the grownups are talking.

If anything, atheists are less mature than other people because atheists think they know everything based on flimsy evidence that changes all the time. That's pretty fucking stupid.

Your maturity is a treasure to behold.
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21-08-2017, 08:58 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(18-08-2017 02:57 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  
(18-08-2017 09:14 AM)mordant Wrote:  Please provide examples of even one atheist claiming to "know everything"

Oh I don't know, how about all of them?

You got nothing.
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21-08-2017, 09:02 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(19-08-2017 12:48 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(17-08-2017 08:39 PM)Anjele Wrote:  How did you 'prove the Bible'?

How?

Please explain.

I guess to say only people who are in despair is when someone may seek something better than the situation there currently in or a hope for better and not worse. Not saying death is worse but wouldnt you think in this world suffering and everything is a strain and you rather be dead than alive. Now what if there was a place better than this that you would want wouldnt you try to get something you want and mabe literally convinced yourself that youll get it. Right you hope for better. But i proved the history now there will be no sign from god till the day of the lord coming. But the antichrist will show signs and miracles like this is literal shit thats going to happen in the future and thats whats it has as miracles and prophecies and having proof in this day of time but its also prophecying that about how the end would look like goung in and during but ya.

Didn't answer the question. Because you can't. You just spout bullshit and claim "I won".
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21-08-2017, 09:04 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(19-08-2017 01:02 PM)socialistview Wrote:  If you want to see proof spiritual you have to believe the bible says in order for god to do miracles for you you have to believe first or it literally doesnt give him reason to want to Do miracles for you. Thats how he works.

How do you know how he works?
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