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17-06-2017, 06:50 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(16-06-2017 01:31 PM)‘socialistview Wrote:  ...but it seems like you dont want to be fair and just just go about your own selfish ambitions climbing over anyone that stands it your way not caring to give a helping hand.

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18-06-2017, 07:57 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Is God bad? Depends on which God. The Aztec god of war (Huitzilopotchli) required human sacrifice, and the Aztecs of Teotihuacan (the Aztec capital) performed daily ritual sacrifices. Yahweh, the God of the "Old Testament", assisted the Israelites in their annihilation of the residents of the Jordan river valley. Chapter 12 of the book of Joshua lists 31 kingdoms that were subjugated by the Israelites. But they weren't just subjugated. Every king of those 31 kingdoms was killed. And every city and town over which they ruled was destroyed and was burned to the ground. And every man, woman, and child was killed (except for Rahab, the traitor of Jericho, and the members of her family). They even killed all of the animals. Why so much slaughter? Because God had promised the land they occupied to the Israelites. And being omniscient he must have known that the land was occupied at the time that he promised away the land. So he was setting all those people up for slaughter at the time that he promised the land.
Was there nothing that an omnipotent God could have done to prevent that slaughter? Sure! He could have built a wall around the entire region at the time that he created the entire universe to prevent anyone else from entering. He could have left the entire region buried under the eastern reaches of the Mediterranean until the Israelites arrived at Mt. Pisgah, and then he could have raised it up from the seafloor - verdant, lush, and unoccupied. Or he could have simply moved all 31 kingdoms out of the way. But Yahweh chose slaughter as his preferred method of evacuation, and that makes him no better than Huitzilopotchli.
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19-06-2017, 05:17 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Ok so its not about people not obeying his laws rather than god being judge over all no matter if you worship him or not. He used the jews to bring about judgement upon canaan as he will use the antichrist against the world. Conspirarcy the bible says if the leaders of society were doing what they were suppose to be doing there would be nothing wrong in this world i mean im socialist so i think the world is evil becuase instead of saying thats mine and take mounds of possession for themselves why not can they give stuff away for less fortunate. But thats how i think but anyways i thought about people explaining natural nature occurences as magic from the gods and i would have to say that people dont change if they really saw something they wrote it down if they didnt you think they would i mean i have to reiterate but i just explained how a desciple didnt believe that jesus ressurrected till he put his hand in his side and then jesus says more blessed is the person who believe without seeing anything and then jesus prayed for future believers so it was already discussed that there would be a time were magic didnt happen unlesd you actually searched for it and the bible already says basically no sign will be given becuase we want to see to believe and that goes totally against logic in actuality.
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19-06-2017, 05:23 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(19-06-2017 05:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ok so its not about people not obeying his laws rather than god being judge over all no matter if you worship him or not. He used the jews to bring about judgement upon canaan as he will use the antichrist against the world. Conspirarcy the bible says if the leaders of society were doing what they were suppose to be doing there would be nothing wrong in this world i mean im socialist so i think the world is evil becuase instead of saying thats mine and take mounds of possession for themselves why not can they give stuff away for less fortunate. But thats how i think but anyways i thought about people explaining natural nature occurences as magic from the gods and i would have to say that people dont change if they really saw something they wrote it down if they didnt you think they would i mean i have to reiterate but i just explained how a desciple didnt believe that jesus ressurrected till he put his hand in his side and then jesus says more blessed is the person who believe without seeing anything and then jesus prayed for future believers so it was already discussed that there would be a time were magic didnt happen unlesd you actually searched for it and the bible already says basically no sign will be given becuase we want to see to believe and that goes totally against logic in actuality.

I do so love the sound of gibberish in the morning. Free clue: don't try to talk about logic; you never even come close to it. Repeating nonsense and fairy tales isn't getting anybody anywhere.

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19-06-2017, 07:36 PM
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(19-06-2017 05:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ok so its not about people not obeying his laws rather than god being judge over all no matter if you worship him or not. He used the jews (sic) to bring about judgement (sic) upon canaan (sic) as he will use the antichrist against the world. Conspirarcy (sic) the bible says if the leaders of society were doing what they were suppose to be doing there would be nothing wrong in this world i (sic) mean im (sic) socialist so i (sic) think the world is evil becuase (sic) instead of saying that's (sic) mine and take mounds of possession for themselves why not can they give stuff away for less fortunate. But thats (sic) how i (sic) think but anyways i (sic) thought about people explaining natural nature occurences (sic) as magic from the gods and I would have to say that people dont (sic) change if they really saw something they wrote it down if they didnt (sic) you think they would I mean I have to reiterate but i (sic) just explained how a desciple (sic) didnt (sic) believe that Jesus ressurrected (sic) till he put his hand in his side and then Jesus says more blessed is the person who believe without seeing anything and then Jesus prayed for future believers so it was already discussed that there would be a time were magic didnt (sic) happen unlesd (sic) you actually searched for it and the bible already says basically no sign will be given becuase (sic) we want to see to believe and that goes totally against logic in actuality.

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19-06-2017, 08:36 PM
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The proof is with you and god. If you sincerly want him to prove it he will take my advice.
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19-06-2017, 08:44 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(19-06-2017 08:36 PM)socialistview Wrote:  The proof is with you and god. If you sincerly want him to prove it he will take my advice.

My friend, so many, many people have been let down by this God of yours. So many I know, personally, who have watched children suffer and die through no fault of their own, who have become homeless and destitute through no fault of their own, who have suffered due to natural forces (a flood in one case, an earthquake in another)...

No free will involved; these weren't people that suffered because others have free will to be evil. These people suffered - are still suffering - for things that have absolutely nothing to do with anything they did.

Tell my friends that their daughter died in agony and humiliation due to her cancer but God loves them anyway. Tell my other friends that their daughter, who suffers violent seizures on a regular basis and, at 30, has the mental capacity of a toddler, that God loves them anyway.

Your God is either incompetent (can't do anything), or malevolent (can do something but chooses to let innocent people suffer) or non-existent.

Choose wisely.
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19-06-2017, 10:11 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(19-06-2017 05:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ok so its not about people not obeying his laws rather than god being judge over all no matter if you worship him or not. He used the jews to bring about judgement upon canaan as he will use the antichrist against the world. Conspirarcy the bible says if the leaders of society were doing what they were suppose to be doing there would be nothing wrong in this world i mean im socialist so i think the world is evil becuase instead of saying thats mine and take mounds of possession for themselves why not can they give stuff away for less fortunate. But thats how i think but anyways i thought about people explaining natural nature occurences as magic from the gods and i would have to say that people dont change if they really saw something they wrote it down if they didnt you think they would i mean i have to reiterate but i just explained how a desciple didnt believe that jesus ressurrected till he put his hand in his side and then jesus says more blessed is the person who believe without seeing anything and then jesus prayed for future believers so it was already discussed that there would be a time were magic didnt happen unlesd you actually searched for it and the bible already says basically no sign will be given becuase we want to see to believe and that goes totally against logic in actuality.

Even though I doubt you will improve your critical thinking skills, please at least learn to punctuate.

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19-06-2017, 11:02 PM
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God is pleased with me.
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19-06-2017, 11:12 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(19-06-2017 05:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ok so its not about people not obeying his laws rather than god being judge over all no matter if you worship him or not.

I understand that Lord Shiva will judge the world before he destroys it. Is that what you mean? It seems like a silly fairy tale. Not as silly as that YHWH/Jehovah crap story, but still pretty silly.

(19-06-2017 05:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  He used the jews to bring about judgement upon canaan as he will use the antichrist against the world.

So the Hebrew priests, in writing their own scriptures, claimed that their God was on their side and wanted them to murder all the neighboring tribes on their tiny patch of desert, because he wanted them to have all that land?

That doesn't sound more than a little bit fishy to you? Honestly?


(19-06-2017 05:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Conspirarcy the bible says if the leaders of society were doing what they were suppose to be doing there would be nothing wrong in this world

No, the priests of the culture who wrote the Bible said that if people followed the rules they set down (which of course included sacrifices from which they would eat a portion), then there would be nothing wrong in this world.

But in that world, a lot of barbaric shit was advocated. They claimed that people should be stoned to death-- bludgeoned to death with big fucking rocks-- for being the wrong religion, for backtalking their parents, and a host of free speech violations that should scare the shit out of you to realize you are supporting that set of priestly regulations.

There is no god talking, here. Only men.


(19-06-2017 05:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  i mean im socialist so i think the world is evil becuase instead of saying thats mine and take mounds of possession for themselves why not can they give stuff away for less fortunate. But thats how i think

You should look into Secular Humanism. That's a list of the things that humanists believe in, and is pretty much what most of the people here would agree with. You might be surprised that your heartfelt beliefs are more in line with the Humanists than with what the priest class of an ancient desert warrior people have convinced you to believe.

(19-06-2017 05:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  but anyways i thought about people explaining natural nature occurences as magic from the gods and i would have to say that people dont change if they really saw something they wrote it down if they didnt you think they would i mean i have to reiterate

Have you read the Rig Veda? The Bhagavad Gita? The Panchatantra? The Qur'an? The Book of Mormon? Those people wrote down a lot of magical occurrences. But you don't think any of those happened for real, any more than we do. If you really thought about it, you'd realize that the same concept applies to your book, too.

(19-06-2017 05:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  but i just explained how a desciple didnt believe that jesus ressurrected till he put his hand in his side and then jesus says more blessed is the person who believe without seeing anything and then jesus prayed for future believers so it was already discussed that there would be a time were magic didnt happen unlesd you actually searched for it and the bible already says basically no sign will be given becuase we want to see to believe and that goes totally against logic in actuality.

You're quoting stories as if they are reality. You should know better than that. Why would they not believe Jesus resurrected if they saw him killed and saw him again alive? What made resurrected Jesus so hard to recognize, eh? Would you not know your own best friend if he was run over by a car, you watched him die, and then a couple of days later he shows up at your door?

It's. A. Story. Dude.

It's designed to convince people to believe. It basically says, "Well, we have no evidence, but it's better if you believe without evidence."

Think about it. For fuck's sake, man!

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