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21-06-2017, 06:11 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(20-06-2017 06:34 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I think you need to reread the bible to see how god really is or read the whole bible.

Many, if not most, of us HAVE read it. We've also looked into the history of when and where it was written and the mythologies of prior and surrounding cultures to understand how it developed. It offers interesting insights into bronze and iron age cultures in the region but it does not provide evidence of the existence of a god any more than the Illiad is evidence of Zeus.

Genesis is mythology start to finish. The stories of the garden and the flood and the tower of Babel and the exodus and the rest are all "just so" stories made up around the campfires and embellished over centuries. They are no more true than thousands of other origin stories from cultures around the world and we know that because the evidence does not support them. At all.

If you really do believe like you say you do then it is truly sad to see a mind so thoroughly crippled. It's like listening to a 4-year old explain how Santa delivers presents.

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21-06-2017, 07:14 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
I find most theists only know the core stories (and even then, only the highlights as told via word of mouth in church) and the "main" verses to qoute to/at others. Most Atheists, including myself, have sat down and read it cover to cover. Fucking hell it's boring, I can tell you. "and low, he begat such and such, who begat..." Piss right off with that. The animals went in 2 by 2? Well, also bring 7 pairs of every "clean" animal and bird.

Plus it the OBVIOUS story element to it, I mean bloody hell, really? And if you start to even consider typing "well some of it isn't true", well its either all true or not true at all, so take your pick.

How about how it's a sin to wear two types of cloth on a certain day, or how eating shell fish is a sin or the others mountains of total garbage. Or the translation errors? Or the fact this stems from OLDER relgions and stories that existed in local culture who knows how long before it.

I could go on, but just sitting there going "LALALALALALALA" with your fingers in your ears, doesn't mean shit in the real world buddy.

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21-06-2017, 08:05 AM (This post was last modified: 21-06-2017 08:10 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(20-06-2017 10:59 PM)socialistview Wrote:  i highly doubt abraham was made up.

Let me give you a little help there, sport.
Israeli archaeologists, of all people, would have a vested interest in proving Abraham was real. They can't. Neither can you.
He was probably one of the clan myths (like Moses was), which got included in the texts, (of what is now the Bible), when the Persian emperor (Artaxerxes, who BTW is responsible more than anyone else, for the "nation" of Israel) told the Judean priests living in Babylon to create a national "story-myth" (the "Torah of Moses" ... which is now Genesis through Numbers, Deuteronomy was cooked up a little later) to serve as a political basis to unite the culture he wanted to re-establish, when he permitted the Hebrews to return from Babylon to their previous territory (the TWO kingdoms). He did this in self-interest, as the Greeks were invading the Levant more and more, with their goal being to conquer Egypt, and the Persian emperor wanted a re-constituted Israel to serve as a buffer-state between his territory and the invading Greeks. Just like Christianity (and Islam) are at their core, politically motivated systems, so also was the re-establishment of Israel.





Your "Bible this" and "God says that" is all nothing but made up bullshit, pushed by people who actually know NOTHING about real History.

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21-06-2017, 08:18 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
So was jeremiah and danial fake.

"The 1979 discovery of fragments of the Hebrew Bible (Priestly Blessing from the Book of Numbers) at Ketef Hinnom dating to the late 7th century BC, and thus to before the Babylonian captivity, is the oldest evidence of elements of the Torah which were current before the Babylonian exile."
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21-06-2017, 08:27 AM (This post was last modified: 21-06-2017 08:34 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-06-2017 08:18 AM)socialistview Wrote:  So was jeremiah and danial fake.

"The 1979 discovery of fragments of the Hebrew Bible (Priestly Blessing from the Book of Numbers) at Ketef Hinnom dating to the late 7th century BC, and thus to before the Babylonian captivity, is the oldest evidence of elements of the Torah which were current before the Babylonian exile."
-wikipedia

See that little word there "fragments". There were all sorts of "fragments", (including the Moses story, a traditional myth from the Northern Kingdom, the Song of Miriam from Exodus, (which may date from about 1200 BCE) and the Abraham myths) which were "assembled" in Babylon. No one is questioning the "fragments". What they did not find was a "Bible" or Torah, intact. For being a believer, you know precious little about your holy book. In fact if you actually READ the Bible, (which you clearly have not done), Ezra brings the Torah of Moses back from Babylon, (along with a letter from Artaxerxes, saying
that King Nehemiah (see the Book of Nehemiah, and the Fall Festival where Ezra PRESENTS the Torah to the people), could rule in his name.
https://www.sc.edu/uscpress/books/2014/7313.html
Daniel was not written by the guy who claimed to have written it, (there is all sorts of proof of that, with dating and King names and history he could not have known). It was written MUCH later than its setting. Jeremiah, I don't recall, so I can't say anything about that.

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21-06-2017, 08:29 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-06-2017 08:27 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(21-06-2017 08:18 AM)socialistview Wrote:  So was jeremiah and danial fake.

"The 1979 discovery of fragments of the Hebrew Bible (Priestly Blessing from the Book of Numbers) at Ketef Hinnom dating to the late 7th century BC, and thus to before the Babylonian captivity, is the oldest evidence of elements of the Torah which were current before the Babylonian exile."
-wikipedia

See that little word there "fragments". There were all sorts of "fragments", (including the Moses story, the Song of Miriam from Exodus, (which may date from about 1200 BCE) and the Abraham myths) which were "assembled" in Babylon. No one is questioning the "fragments". What they did not find was a "Bible", intact. For being a believer, you know precious little about your holy book.
Not to mention the "great flood" is mentioned in almost every religion going, and has been proven to be a known "local story/myth" pre-bible

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21-06-2017, 08:31 AM
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The oral torah was written in Babylon
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21-06-2017, 08:39 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-06-2017 08:31 AM)socialistview Wrote:  The oral torah was written in Babylon

Laugh out load

That may be the funniest thing you've posted so far.

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21-06-2017, 08:41 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-06-2017 08:31 AM)socialistview Wrote:  The oral torah was written in Babylon
Blink Facepalm

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21-06-2017, 08:43 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-06-2017 08:31 AM)socialistview Wrote:  The oral torah was written in Babylon

Prove it. You made that up.
Various traditional myths were "assembled" in Babylon. There was no "oral Torah", (if there was one, why would Ezra have to reveal/present it (something that was already known), in the Book of Nehemiah ?)The texts of Bible were NEVER the center of Hebrew culture and life, even AFTER Ezra presented it. They did not read the Bible, (almost no one could read), and the Torah was not copied until later, AND worship consisted NOT of readings from the Bible, but temple animal sacrificial activities. Never was the Torah important that early. There was no tradition in Israel of people (men) who memorized the oral traditions, (like there is in Islam, ... they are called "Hafiz") ... who DID memorize the Quran, but Israel NEVER had that function, and YOU have no evidence they did. Sorry sport. Your bullshit is exposed as bullshit, and you know nothing about the history of the time.

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