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21-06-2017, 10:22 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Dude. Cultures that live near major waterways or oceans have flood stories. Places that don't, don't. Period.

The Aborigines populated Australia about 50,000 years ago. They have no flood story*. Guess why?

The Egyptians, while recording several catastrophic floods of the Nile Valley (duh), have no record whatsoever of a global flood, and went right on recording their kingdom's history while the Sumerian flood mythology was being written... it's no surprise that the Tigris/Euphrates system flooded massively, on occasion, given the glacier-blocked lakes up in the high mountains where the rivers originate.

* There is one specific tribe of Aborigines who have a tale called "Tiddalik the Frog", where a greedy frog gobbles up all the water and is forced by the other animals to spit it back out, either flooding most of the land or simply repleneshing the waterways. However, even in the "big flood" version of the story, the waters only reach high enough for people to be forced to climb to hilltops to avoid it. Hardly similar to the Noachian deluge. Creationists have previously lied about this as being a global flood myth, but it's nothing of the sort.

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21-06-2017, 10:23 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
You know its like they looked uncivilized and primitive but they were civilized while we look advance nd civilized but where not.
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21-06-2017, 10:28 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Floods.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths
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21-06-2017, 11:00 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-06-2017 10:17 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I believe every story has some truth to it. I dont think you can randomly make up a story without having earlier sources that you take from.
My story:
I know of a giant chicken being named, Dr McNugget-Fingers, who produces all the chicken nuggets in the world.

Now you tell me, that I can't randomly make that up?

If you think about it, in certain areas of the world, the biggest threat they have is flooding. So to say "the whole [known] world will flood" isn't a big stretch of the imagination is it? They wouldn't have known how big the earth really is at that point, only knowing of the other land masses they are connected to.

So to say the ENTIRE actual earth flooded is just bollocks mate.

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21-06-2017, 11:25 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-06-2017 10:17 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I believe every story has some truth to it. I dont think you can randomly make up a story without having earlier sources that you take from.

All the ancient Near East cultures had flood myths. The assemblers / editors of Genesis, knew that. They included one. It never happened the way it's described. (If it did, there would be a world-wide silt layer, as well as many other pieces of evidence). Your particular holy book is just the same as all the others., ie pretty much hogwash. Interesting, perhaps as mythology, but not "inspired", and certainly not literally true. Of course that had sources, like everyone else, but YOU PEOPLE claim this one is special. Can't have it both ways, there sport.

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21-06-2017, 11:52 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-06-2017 10:17 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I believe every story has some truth to it. I dont think you can randomly make up a story without having earlier sources that you take from.

You really don't listen to or think about anything anybody says, do you? People make up stories all the time; they take things they know and add to them to make them funnier or scarier or just more interesting. Over time stories grow more elaborate and sometimes they get written down.

(21-06-2017 10:23 AM)socialistview Wrote:  You know its like they looked uncivilized and primitive but they were civilized while we look advance nd civilized but where not.

ADHD much?

(21-06-2017 10:28 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Floods.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

Yes, we know there are lots of flood stories. They just don't support the idea of a single global flood. There are stories where I grew up of a huge flood that happened some 60 or 70 years ago; should we count that as evidence for Noah?

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21-06-2017, 11:53 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Of course there have been floods. No one would deny that. But there's a big difference between local floods, and worldwide, magically induced murderous God-floods.

Why you'd want to argue so hard that the thing you worship really is the most prolific murderer of all time, I don't know.

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21-06-2017, 12:00 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(21-06-2017 10:28 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Floods.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

Do you even read the stuff you link us to, before you link it?

Pay attention!

The first part of your list:

Sumerian creation myth
Mesopotamia (Epic of Gilgamesh)
Abrahamic religions (Noah's flood)
The Deluge, c. 1896–1902, by James Jacques Joseph Tissot
Genesis flood narrative
Noah's Ark
Islamic view of Noah

These are all the same thing, listed several ways. The Genesis account is borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh, as Bucky has already pointed out to you... and as you would know if you studied this stuff. Except it's not the tale of Noah's Flood other than a few superficial details-- for one thing, the guy's name is Utnapishtim, and he built a raft, not an ark.

Likewise, the Qur'an borrowed heavily from the stories in the Old Testament.

The Greek flood myths listed there also fail the test:

"Many great deluges have taken place during the nine thousand years, for that is the number of years which have elapsed since the time of which I am speaking; and during all of this time and through so many changes, there has never been any considerable accumulation of the soil coming down from the mountains, as in other places, but the earth has fallen away all round and sunk out of sight. The consequence is, that in comparison of what then was, there are remaining only the bones of the wasted body, as they may be called, as in the case of small islands, all the richer and softer parts of the soil having fallen away, and the mere skeleton of the land being left." - Plato’s Critias (111b)

The "time of which I am speaking" refers not to a rising up of the waters, but of a descent of the land, during which the City of Atlantis sank into the sea. That's why he goes on to specify the way the "earth has fallen away all round and sunk out of sight". It's their way of explaining why the Greek lands and islands look like they do. It is not the same as the Noachian deluge, and contains no similar elements other than a lot of water. Oh, and 9000 years before the time he was writing would put the tale as taking place 12,000 years ago... long before the claim in Genesis.

All of the Irish tales are directly borrowed from Christianity, and even expressly say that Noah's children settled Ireland... which is interesting, since the Gaelic people didn't have that story before the Christians arrived with St. Patrick's evangelism. Older versions of the tale (also listed in your links) don't contain any of the elements of the Noachian flood. The Irish have no tales of a flood that is not invented by the Christians... though they do have a couple of accounts of big storms and even a tidal wave, so... close-ish!

The Finnish "flood myth" is made entirely of blood that gushes from a wound left by a heroic feat. Not even close to what is claimed in Genesis, nor even close to a global deluge of the sort you're trying to say it is.

The African stories are too numerous to list individually, but I will point out that I just read all of them here, and the only two that are even CLOSE to the Noah story are clear rip-offs of the Noah story, right down to the birds sent to seek dry land and the number of people on board. Funny that their neighbors didn't have the same story. Dodgy

Okay, I could go on with this but you get the point. The only people who have stories like the Noah flood story in Genesis are ones whose cultures were influenced by Christianization or whose cultures (like the tales in India) are adjacent to the Sumeria region and borrowed from the story... but added in their own gods and local heroes (which is what happened when the Hebrews turned the Epic of Gilgamesh's story of Utnapishtim into their own Patriarch, Noah).

But the effect is the same: in regions with major river valleys prone to periodic major flooding, or in cultures adjacent to major bodies of water, you get various stories about flooding. In places that don't, you don't. The only stories that sound like your Bible story are ones that clearly borrowed it directly--down to copying little details-- rather than being some distant reporting of a true global event. Shocker!

That's not even counting what has already been pointed out to you-- the evidence of this flood is nowhere to be found. There's no silt layer of the type that would be formed. We can trace when and where floods occur because of this phenomenon, and there's nothing.

It's a story. People make them up all the time.

I mean shit, as crazy as the Genesis stories are, they pale in comparison to the Mahabharata, where there's a war that involves nuclear weapons, energy weapons and guided missiles, and even flying chariots! If you think ancient stories are a reason to believe in their "truthiness", I highly recommend you start praying to Lord Krishna before he nukes your ass.

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21-06-2017, 03:38 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(23-05-2017 07:49 PM)socialistview Wrote:  A jewish friend told me that God Yaweh from the jewish religion says that all others religions did human sacrifices and By law God gave said to not do human sacrifices. As i studied more into the canaan conquest i have read that the canaans already knew about what God did for the jews in egypt(to add to my argument my jewish friend told me that when the isrealites were laugh at the egyptian soldiers drowning God said those are my children too just they needed to be punished for oppressing.) and trembled but did not change their ways. Do you think its was still unjustified for god to genocidally kill canaan for human sacrifice? Blush

If you think of it, trillions of people will be burning in hell just because they were born into a wrong religion. Something, 99% of believers did not choose. So, yes, he is a pretty bad guy, made up bad guy Tongue

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21-06-2017, 04:00 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
okay you didnt see that hindu has a similar flood story.
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