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26-06-2017, 05:33 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(25-06-2017 07:30 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And dumbass story after story has people with no evidence believe in the bible.

Yes, people are often gullible. That is not a point in your favor.

Quote: You think if there was evidence everybody would believe.

I doubt everybody would believe anything no matter how strong the evidence is. Look at your own comments about evolution for example. Evolution was believed to have happened prior to Darwin, he just provided a plausible mechanism for it based on a wealth of evidence that he gathered over decades. Since then the advances in technology have allowed us to gather more evidence and test after test has confirmed it. Evolution is true whether you believe it or not and the evidence is well documented and available to anybody who is interested.

(25-06-2017 09:50 PM)socialistview Wrote:  But nobody believed in darwin till now. Despite all the evidence.

Are you ever tired of being wrong? You are certainly consistent at it.

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26-06-2017, 05:35 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
well the bible says that man was created after animals and that we both come from the dirt and to say clay is wet mud so i can believe it but my point is that most of the physical proof was discovered in the 20th century before it was just speculation and would you think that a person who wasnt with the idea of evolution from the beginning then its proven and the person who didnt believe is not seen as a ignorant person. Would you agree with that person being in the same circle as those who believed in the beginning. See having proof for stuff in the beginning is wrong logic.
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26-06-2017, 05:48 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(25-06-2017 10:25 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Yes evolution goes perfectly with the creation story but they could not examine dna till recently right.

Apparently, you understand nothing about evolution or the "creation story" demonstrated by such a statement. There are two different creation stories in Genesis chapter 1 and 2, neither one is credible scientifically. Would it do any good to point out the blatant errors in both of these creation myths to you?

Rocketsurgeon has far more tolerance for your sophistry than I, even though he's giving you rather nice explanations, I seriously doubt you grasp any of it because of statements like "evolution goes perfectly with the creation story"

That's wishful thinking and shows a massive disconnect from any serious scientific knowledge about evolution. It also shows a childish, storybook level of understanding about the two Genesis myths.

Here are the first 3 verses of Genesis chapter 1:

1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

The 1st verse from Genesis chapter 2:

2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Now you tell me, what's wrong in those three verses? In terms of cosmology and physics, what does it get wrong? This is not the place to indulge in post-hoc sophistry, demonstrate that you are even capable of understanding the SUBSTANTIAL and IRRECONCILABLE differences between biblical myth and scientific knowledge.

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26-06-2017, 06:05 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(26-06-2017 05:35 AM)socialistview Wrote:  well the bible says that man was created after animals and that we both come from the dirt and to say clay is wet mud so i can believe it

Man was not "created"; we evolved along with the other animals and are still evolving; we didn't "come from the dirt"; clay isn't "wet mud". The bible is simply wrong at every step.

Quote:but my point is that most of the physical proof was discovered in the 20th century before it was just speculation

So what? There was sufficient evidence that evolution happened to make it reasonable to at least investigate, if not believe. You don't need complete proof to make something believable, you just need some evidence. Something your god lacks.

Quote: and would you think that a person who wasnt with the idea of evolution from the beginning then its proven and the person who didnt believe is not seen as a ignorant person.

Huh? Try it in English. As the evidence mounts it becomes more reasonable to believe and less reasonable to deny any proposition. Evolution is now based on overwhelming evidence and only the ignorant deny it. Your god proposition has no evidence so any comparison you may be trying to make is ridiculous.

Quote: Would you agree with that person being in the same circle as those who believed in the beginning. See having proof for stuff in the beginning is wrong logic.

Sorry... absolutely no clue what you are trying to say. English, mofo. Try it.

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26-06-2017, 06:17 AM
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Listen to yourself unfogged. we couldnt even investigate it till mendal.
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26-06-2017, 06:20 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
And whats wrong with the two beginning verses of genesis.
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26-06-2017, 06:39 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(26-06-2017 06:20 AM)socialistview Wrote:  And whats wrong with the two beginning verses of genesis.

The last part of my post-

Demonstrate that you are even capable of understanding the SUBSTANTIAL and IRRECONCILABLE differences between biblical myth and scientific knowledge.


I question your capacity to understand the Genesis myth and the science that contradicts the myth.

There is no point for you to even continue posting until you can even demonstrate a rudimentary capacity to comprehend basic things.

I'll make it simple for you, focus on Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

How does it contradict basic cosmology? There's more than one answer, just that one simple verse is filled with biblical ignorance.

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26-06-2017, 07:05 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(26-06-2017 06:20 AM)socialistview Wrote:  And whats wrong with the two beginning verses of genesis.

Genesis 1. God creates animals on day 5. On day 6, he creates more animmals then Adam and Eve.
Genesis 2. God creates Adam first. The animals, then Eve.

This is a direct and obvious contradiction. It cannot be correct. And so is obviously not a revelation from God. Unless God is a big joker who cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

As to Genesis 1:1-2.
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Earth is not a formless watery expanse and never was. Genesis sees Earth as a void in the watery expanse separated from those waters by a dome, "firmament",
raqqa. Earth is not a place separated from the rest of the Universe by a dome with windows as per the Bible. Earth was not formed before the sun, moon and starts as per the Bible.

Whoever wrote this crap did not understand night and day were caused by the earth orbiting the Sun and the moon orbiting the earth. So this can't be information from God.

Genesis is a set of myths written by deeply ignorant people.

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26-06-2017, 07:38 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(26-06-2017 07:05 AM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  
(26-06-2017 06:20 AM)socialistview Wrote:  And whats wrong with the two beginning verses of genesis.

Genesis 1. God creates animals on day 5. On day 6, he creates more animmals then Adam and Eve.
Genesis 2. God creates Adam first. The animals, then Eve.

This is a direct and obvious contradiction. It cannot be correct. And so is obviously not a revelation from God. Unless God is a big joker who cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

As to Genesis 1:1-2.
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Earth is not a formless watery expanse and never was. Genesis sees Earth as a void in the watery expanse separated from those waters by a dome, "firmament",
raqqa. Earth is not a place separated from the rest of the Universe by a dome with windows as per the Bible. Earth was not formed before the sun, moon and starts as per the Bible.

Whoever wrote this crap did not understand night and day were caused by the earth orbiting the Sun and the moon orbiting the earth. So this can't be information from God.

Genesis is a set of myths written by deeply ignorant people.

> Interestingly, Kent Hovind conveniently (and consistently) overlooks these contradictions in his debates; i.e., stand-up comedy routines. Facepalm
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26-06-2017, 08:48 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(26-06-2017 07:38 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  
(26-06-2017 07:05 AM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  Genesis 1. God creates animals on day 5. On day 6, he creates more animmals then Adam and Eve.
Genesis 2. God creates Adam first. The animals, then Eve.

This is a direct and obvious contradiction. It cannot be correct. And so is obviously not a revelation from God. Unless God is a big joker who cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

As to Genesis 1:1-2.
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Earth is not a formless watery expanse and never was. Genesis sees Earth as a void in the watery expanse separated from those waters by a dome, "firmament",
raqqa. Earth is not a place separated from the rest of the Universe by a dome with windows as per the Bible. Earth was not formed before the sun, moon and starts as per the Bible.

Whoever wrote this crap did not understand night and day were caused by the earth orbiting the Sun and the moon orbiting the earth. So this can't be information from God.

Genesis is a set of myths written by deeply ignorant people.

> Interestingly, Kent Hovind conveniently (and consistently) overlooks these contradictions in his debates; i.e., stand-up comedy routines. Facepalm

You forgot one important step there.
Ya see this kinda retarded god wasn't sure what to make for a mate for Adam, so, before he made Eve, they held "tryouts". (ahem) ... cough cough.

Genesis 2:18-20
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him. Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was it's name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals. But for Adam none proved to be a suitable helper."

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