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24-05-2017, 09:14 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(24-05-2017 07:12 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  > Indeed. The God of the Bible is far beneath what I rationally consider to be a moral being.

What would you consider a moral being?
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> One who observes the principles of Humanism:

1) Thou shalt strive to promote the greater good of humanity before all selfish desires.

2) Thou shalt be curious, for asking questions is the only way to find answers.

3) Harm to your fellow human is harm to humanity. Therefore, thou shalt not kill, rape, rob, or otherwise victimize anyone.

4) Thou shall treat all humans as equals, regardless of race, gender, age, creed, identity, orientation, physical ability, or status.

5) Thou shalt use reason as your guide. Science, knowledge, observation, and rational analysis are the best ways to determine any course of action.

6) Thou shalt not force your beliefs onto others, nor insist that yours be the only and correct way to live happily.

7) If thou dost govern, thou shalt govern with reason, not with superstition. Religion should have no place in any government which represents all people and beliefs.

8) Thou shalt act for the betterment of your fellow humans, and be, whenever possible, altruistic in your deeds.

9) Thou shalt be good to the Earth and its bounties, for without it, humankind is lost.

10) Thou shalt impart thy knowledge and wisdom gained in your lifetime to the next generation, so that with each passing century, humanity will grow wiser and more humane.
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24-05-2017, 09:18 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(24-05-2017 07:12 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  > Indeed. The God of the Bible is far beneath what I rationally consider to be a moral being.

What would you consider a moral being?
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> Certainly not Bible God. To wit,

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion) Consider
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06-06-2017, 02:46 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
You on this i have to have evidence to believe. If you read the bible it tells you that one of the deciples had the same problem so to tell you the bible has answers to all your questions so read the bible. Evidence for my statement.
http://biblehub.com/john/20-29.htm
And show me evidence that the isrealites did human sacrifices.
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06-06-2017, 02:59 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(06-06-2017 02:46 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You on this i have to have evidence to believe. If you read the bible it tells you that one of the deciples had the same problem so to tell you the bible has answers to all your questions so read the bible. Evidence for my statement.
http://biblehub.com/john/20-29.htm
And show me evidence that the isrealites did human sacrifices.

On a sidenote: Have you changed your position on rape in the past couple of weeks/months?

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06-06-2017, 03:15 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(06-06-2017 02:46 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You on this i have to have evidence to believe. If you read the bible it tells you that one of the deciples had the same problem so to tell you the bible has answers to all your questions so read the bible. Evidence for my statement.
http://biblehub.com/john/20-29.htm

The bible says a lot of things. Many works of fiction do as well. How can you tell if the bible is fact or fiction?

Quote:And show me evidence that the isrealites did human sacrifices.

Show me evidence that the people they claim to have slaughtered did. Self-serving statements in a book with no external supporting evidence is worthless.

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06-06-2017, 03:39 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
if i was physically involved in their life doing all that stuff forthem i would be jelous too.
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06-06-2017, 03:42 PM (This post was last modified: 06-06-2017 08:12 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(06-06-2017 02:46 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You on this i have to have evidence to believe. If you read the bible it tells you that one of the deciples had the same problem so to tell you the bible has answers to all your questions so read the bible. Evidence for my statement.
http://biblehub.com/john/20-29.htm
And show me evidence that the isrealites did human sacrifices.

Your stupid god would not have to bother to address the problem if they didn't engage in it, now would he ?
"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,"
---Deuteronomy 18:10
(it also means "prophecy" in the sense of telling the future was forbidden by your god.)

Why do you think god is a "guy" ?
Circulating testosterone ? , a weeny ?, balls ?

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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06-06-2017, 03:44 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(06-06-2017 02:46 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You on this i have to have evidence to believe. If you read the bible it tells you that one of the deciples had the same problem so to tell you the bible has answers to all your questions so read the bible. Evidence for my statement.
http://biblehub.com/john/20-29.htm
And show me evidence that the isrealites did human sacrifices.

Well, I apparently need to correct myself.

My position was that the genocide of the Canaanites (if it did ever happen, which I doubt) in order to obey the commands and appease the wrath of a god would have, in itself, on those grounds alone, an act of human sacrifice.

From Wikipedia:

Quote:Human sacrifice is the act of killing one or more human beings, usually as an offering to a deity, as part of a ritual. Human sacrifice has been practiced in various cultures throughout history. Victims were typically ritually killed in a manner that was supposed to please or appease gods, spirits or the deceased, for example as a propitiatory offering or as a retainer sacrifice when a king's servants are killed in order for them to continue to serve their master in the next life.

So in the interests of precision, I'm going to walk through this definition as a checklist to see if the genocide of the Canaanites was actually human sacrifice.

Was it an act of killing one or more human beings? YES.

Was it an offering to a deity? Well, it was supposedly in obedience to a deity's express demands, so YES.

Were they killed in a manner that was supposed to please or appease one or more gods, spirits, or deceased? YES.

Were the killings part of a ritual? NO. It was just straight-up butchery.

So, I retract my earlier assertion that the genocide was a form of human sacrifice to Yahweh. It was (as presented in the Bible) the slaughter of multitudes of human beings, including those too young to have ever engaged in any wrongful act, at the express command of a deity, to appease a bloodthirst god who would have become wrathful if they slaked from their bloodletting. But it wasn't part of a RITUAL, and that obviously makes all the moral difference.

.... but we're still left with the idea that a God who abhors human sacrifice forged a covenant with a chosen people because of how much he loved Abraham's readiness to commit human sacrifice. And that.... makes about as much sense as a lot of God's other decisions in the Bible. Which isn't much.
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07-06-2017, 12:04 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
The prophets prophecied the future and have youv heard of a nessecary evil.
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07-06-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(07-06-2017 12:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  The prophets prophecied the future and have youv heard of a nessecary evil.

Do you like purposely ignore the suggestions of your spellchecker or do you just not know how to turn it on?

#sigh
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