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28-06-2017, 10:48 PM (This post was last modified: 28-06-2017 10:53 PM by JesseB.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(28-06-2017 10:41 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(28-06-2017 10:09 PM)JesseB Wrote:  That right there is literally fucking crazy talk. I would refer you to the DSM 5, you're displaying textbook indicators of schizophrenia now. I strongly suggest you seek professional medical help.

I don't know who this quote is from but "If you talk to god, you're religious. If god talks to you, you're crazy"

You can ask my teacher my moms friend some random dude one of my preachers son and that preachers wife.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHGAHAHAHAHAH
(Deep Breath)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (Passes out from hyperventilation)

Or .... you know .... ask a psychologist. Please do.

NOW for clarity, what does god's voice sound like? How many times does god talk to you? Can you estimate the decibel level of this voice? Does this voice ever tell you to do things? Do you only hear once voice or many?

May I suggest you expand your understanding of reality?



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28-06-2017, 10:54 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(28-06-2017 07:47 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Its like you have no hope for your life your just going to live poor for the rest of your life becuase you cant see any visible venue to lead you towards riches. But you could actually become rich even if you become rich when your sixty.

(28-06-2017 07:52 PM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  Nope! I'm a Humanist. I am also rich in the sense that I live a frugal life and have (or have had) everything I could possibly want. Big Grin

I'm also a Humanist, also fairly frugal and minimalist. No particular interest in bling, consumer electronics, fancy cars, brand-name clothing, or eating in a trendy restaurant. Tank of gas for the [14-year-old second-hand] car, a folio of sheet music to learn, and maybe a coffee and muffin on my way to or from some cultural event, and I am *happy* and content.

I'm sorry, but your beliefs are much too silly to take seriously. Got anything else we can discuss?
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28-06-2017, 10:59 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Well it sounded like the person who was fully aware they just said that something is telling them in their mind like they can here a voice in their head tell them to tell me something.
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28-06-2017, 11:05 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(28-06-2017 09:37 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  You know what, SV? Since you refuse to use the quote function, how about you make a new thread, and pick one of us to talk with, it'll cut down on the confusion.

I volunteer.
In the mean time, I'm going to keep responding, because the weather isn't great, uni is off, and I therefor have nothing better to do with my time.


Actually, we know from studies done on bonobo interactions that they do know what they are doing. They engage in sex because they get pleasure from it; we know this because their birth rate is virtually identical to chimpanzees, their close cousin despite the constant sex, showing it is not a purely reproductive behaviour, also they partake in gay sex in both genders. It appears to have virtually supplanted aggressive social instincts present in closely related species like humans and chimpanzees. Bonobos do not rape, despite their apparent existence of debauchery.
And interesting article form 2006 (god I feel old now) by Dr. Frans De Waal on the subject of bonobo behaviour, should anybody care to read: https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...y-2006-06/


They may well go extinct due to environmental changes, but so could humans; extinction applies to all life. If circumstances change faster than adaptation can occur, the species dies.

That said, the vulnerability of a species to extinction is not a relevant indicator of intelligence, nor does it apply to what I said about them; I made the remark that bonobos are smarter than humans because they solve their problems with pleasurable activity; implying the human tendency of actively impairing and harming anybody around them for their own gain is stupid.


Yes, if you ignore the worms that came before the fish, and the amphibians that came after the fish, and the repitles that came after them (specifically the dinosaurs which came before the birds).
And that insects came up all over the place.
And that plants also come out before.
And that these 'events' occurred over the course of hundreds of millions to a billion years, instead of days.
And that the sun was apparently made after photosynthetic organisms which require it to exist.


Au contraire, mon ami, they have everything to do with what you said (about what Paul said.) The first verse, allegedly by the Apostle Peter said that it is your job as one of the faithful to provide answers as to your faith at any time in an honest and respectful manner, contradicting your 'quote', and your attitude I'd submit.

The second verse was to demonstrate absurdity in response to you making an absurd 'quote'.


If there are things 'beyond the physical world', they they are irrelevant; they are outside of it, so they cannot interact with 'the physical world', and therefore have no consequence. This is made all the worse a position for you to take because as they are definitionally not part of the physical world and cannot interact with it, such things cannot actually be known in any practical sense, all you can do is stipulate them without reason.


So you've had hallucinations as ascribed them to your faith; well done.


Moving right past the misunderstanding of atheism and negative vs positive claims and right into the rape apologetics...


I'm a man, at least a quick look at my crotch would seem to suggest that, and I've never had sex and never resorted to seeking it aggressively. This rambling nonsense you just spouted just enforces my point about bonobos.
Just because males can get all hard up and not get laid, doesn't justify raping people.

Furthermore, how do you explain rapes perpetrated by females?




So what you are saying is that religious faith is the product of desperation, not rational thought? Never would have guessed. Also, shame on you for using the tragic deaths of countless people in poverty to try and score a point in an argument.

How old are you becuase if you passed 22 im incredibly proud that you never had sex before thats far beyond me.

Being proud of somebody for not having sex is a tad weird. For the record, I am around 21.5.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  If the sex life was fair i would agree. But can bonobos change into a monogamous heterosexual relationship or is it the character trait to seek pleasure.

I'd say the better question is 'can humans not be restrained by monogamous ideas', and the answer is yes, they can. Humans, and bonobos both also can recognise consent. Oddly enough, only one of these two have documented episodes of rape.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And a thousand years is like a day to god.

BZZZZZZT

That's my 'you got it wrong' buzzer sound.

In genesis, a day is specifically defined in Genesis 1:5, which states: "God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day." This clearly defines a day as a cyclical period of evenings and mornings. Such things are not perceivable as having different lengths beyond a few hours relative to elevation; even astronauts on the ISS are capable of recognising the start of a day and night's onset from their position far above us.

This old apologetic was born still.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You should read genesis 1 and 2 and see where it fails with evolution clay is the building block of life

No, Genesis 2:7 says dirt. As has been explained by others and myself, dirt and clay are different things. Furthermore, it says that God breathed life into dirt to make man, not 'he breathed into the dirt the essence of life and waited for 1.4-odd billion years for man to eventually turn up."

Also, clay is not the 'building block of life', that would arguably be the nucleobases.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  but you cant tell me how something lifeless comes to life.

I told you already, if I may quote myself here:

(27-06-2017 11:44 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  While it is a looong way from perfect, we do have a working definition of life which provisionally suits the needs of biological science at the time of this writing; life is the condition of a thing which is either comprised of or is a cell(s), has homeostatic capability, undergoes metabolism, responds to stimuli in some manner, and is capable of reproduction.

Life is not a mystical thing; life, at the base of it, is nothing more than a checklist of traits; that which is alive is so merely due to the nature of functionality.

Why is this alive
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And also this?
[Image: mjFntWW.jpg?1]

Because they both do the things on the list.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And put the whole psalm see what its talking about.

To be frank, the entire context, which is of the Jews slaughtering a rival tribe that happened to be in their way FYI, is irrelevant in this context. You said:

(28-06-2017 06:14 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Your scum for killing a living thing and justify it.

The verse I posted is a response to that statement, calling your hypocrisy for supporting a book which demanded and justified killing, making it scummy by your own criteria.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And my experiences i wanted god to talk to me through people and he did like the person said something is telling me to tell you this literally.

So... you didn't hallucinate god talking to you; you believed that god could talk to people through others, and wanted it to happen. I wonder what the odds are of people talking to a believer about god is in such a manner.

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28-06-2017, 11:07 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(28-06-2017 10:59 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Well it sounded like the person who was fully aware they just said that something is telling them in their mind like they can here a voice in their head tell them to tell me something.

..... Since it seems my insult went right over your head, I'll state it again. Hearing voices is Schizophrenia. If you hear voices it's not god It's a mental illness and you don't need a priest you need a fucking doctor.

To be honest, that's not really a joke. If you're seriously claiming you hear the voice of god you need a doctor.

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28-06-2017, 11:30 PM
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What are the odds that this "voice" goes deadly silent when asked something it can't actually know, say like... what 4 digit number am I thinking of? This has silenced the God-talk with every theist I've ever posed the question to, replacing it instead with excuse after excuse.

Odds are, this is just another totally indoctrinated person mistaking their own thoughts for God. It could possibly be that they are actually schizophrenic as has been noted though, as religion cherishes the symptoms. I have talked to a religious person before who genuinely is. The scary thing is that they don't sound much different.

Kudos to you guys who continue to correct all the willful ignorance being spouted here, and to trample the hateful immorality, for the benefit of our lurkers.

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28-06-2017, 11:47 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(28-06-2017 10:48 PM)JesseB Wrote:  
(28-06-2017 10:41 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You can ask my teacher my moms friend some random dude one of my preachers son and that preachers wife.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHGAHAHAHAHAH
(Deep Breath)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (Passes out from hyperventilation)

Or .... you know .... ask a psychologist. Please do.

NOW for clarity, what does god's voice sound like? How many times does god talk to you? Can you estimate the decibel level of this voice? Does this voice ever tell you to do things? Do you only hear once voice or many?

May I suggest you expand your understanding of reality?



That's a fascinating video, thanks! It rings especially true to me. I've been bullied throughout out all my early years simply for not automatically conforming. It's not like I did it out of some well thought out philosophical stance, it's just how I was. Only later in my life did I come to reflect and to see that I was actually proud of naturally being that way. I'm still bullied to a lesser extent, as is everyone who dares to think for themselves. But I've received some respect for it as well.

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28-06-2017, 11:53 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(28-06-2017 11:30 PM)Robvalue Wrote:  What are the odds that this "voice" goes deadly silent when asked something it can't actually know, say like... what 4 digit number am I thinking of? This has silenced the God-talk with every theist I've ever posed the question to, replacing it instead with excuse after excuse.

Odds are, this is just another totally indoctrinated person mistaking their own thoughts for God. It could possibly be that they are actually schizophrenic as has been noted though, as religion cherishes the symptoms. I have talked to a religious person before who genuinely is. The scary thing is that they don't sound much different.

Kudos to you guys who continue to correct all the willful ignorance being spouted here, and to trample the hateful immorality, for the benefit of our lurkers.

Agreed, and thank you. My basic point was this....
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In totally unrelated harry potter news! I was at a customers house fixing their phone systems and the grand kids were visiting and the grand kids put on one of the Harry Potter movies and the grandparents freaked the fuck out about it.... yea....

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29-06-2017, 12:05 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(28-06-2017 11:05 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  How old are you becuase if you passed 22 im incredibly proud that you never had sex before thats far beyond me.

Being proud of somebody for not having sex is a tad weird. For the record, I am around 21.5.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  If the sex life was fair i would agree. But can bonobos change into a monogamous heterosexual relationship or is it the character trait to seek pleasure.

I'd say the better question is 'can humans not be restrained by monogamous ideas', and the answer is yes, they can. Humans, and bonobos both also can recognise consent. Oddly enough, only one of these two have documented episodes of rape.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And a thousand years is like a day to god.

BZZZZZZT

That's my 'you got it wrong' buzzer sound.

In genesis, a day is specifically defined in Genesis 1:5, which states: "God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day." This clearly defines a day as a cyclical period of evenings and mornings. Such things are not perceivable as having different lengths beyond a few hours relative to elevation; even astronauts on the ISS are capable of recognising the start of a day and night's onset from their position far above us.

This old apologetic was born still.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You should read genesis 1 and 2 and see where it fails with evolution clay is the building block of life

No, Genesis 2:7 says dirt. As has been explained by others and myself, dirt and clay are different things. Furthermore, it says that God breathed life into dirt to make man, not 'he breathed into the dirt the essence of life and waited for 1.4-odd billion years for man to eventually turn up."

Also, clay is not the 'building block of life', that would arguably be the nucleobases.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  but you cant tell me how something lifeless comes to life.

I told you already, if I may quote myself here:

(27-06-2017 11:44 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  While it is a looong way from perfect, we do have a working definition of life which provisionally suits the needs of biological science at the time of this writing; life is the condition of a thing which is either comprised of or is a cell(s), has homeostatic capability, undergoes metabolism, responds to stimuli in some manner, and is capable of reproduction.

Life is not a mystical thing; life, at the base of it, is nothing more than a checklist of traits; that which is alive is so merely due to the nature of functionality.

Why is this alive
[Image: 6a00d8341c5e1453ef019affe2a525970d-300wi]
And also this?
[Image: mjFntWW.jpg?1]

Because they both do the things on the list.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And put the whole psalm see what its talking about.

To be frank, the entire context, which is of the Jews slaughtering a rival tribe that happened to be in their way FYI, is irrelevant in this context. You said:

(28-06-2017 06:14 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Your scum for killing a living thing and justify it.

The verse I posted is a response to that statement, calling your hypocrisy for supporting a book which demanded and justified killing, making it scummy by your own criteria.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And my experiences i wanted god to talk to me through people and he did like the person said something is telling me to tell you this literally.

So... you didn't hallucinate god talking to you; you believed that god could talk to people through others, and wanted it to happen. I wonder what the odds are of people talking to a believer about god is in such a manner.

Well get ready for your peak it will be strong till your 23. I love to educate young men about their sexuality. I was the same way now i cant stop thinking about sex. But you cant explain how multiple living cells cause me to think for myself i guess to say. And yes i explain god only goes to believers thats how he works and explains in john and they literally told me things only i knew.
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29-06-2017, 12:07 AM (This post was last modified: 29-06-2017 12:11 AM by Robvalue.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
It's funny, as a kid I had hateful bile spat in my face (metaphorically), not only from children but from adults, because I was vegetarian. I never made an issue of it, people made a point of coming up to me while minding my own business and harassing me. Even my form teacher.

But now it's become much more acceptable, I'm more generally treated favorably. It's still common for people to rattle off the list of "reasons" why they eat meat (not that I ever ask) in a way eerily reminiscent of religious dogma. I hear the same reasons over and over, most of which don't stand up to any kind of logical scrutiny. This even applies to people who are otherwise logical. I don't bother to challenge the reasons unless the person is genuinely coming to me to have an open discussion about it, which is rare. I can tell it's mostly a reflex.

[I'm not trying to start a debate about the ethics of eating meat, I'm just sharing my experiences, and showing how well they fit this model.]

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