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29-06-2017, 12:10 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 12:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  
(28-06-2017 11:05 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Being proud of somebody for not having sex is a tad weird. For the record, I am around 21.5.


I'd say the better question is 'can humans not be restrained by monogamous ideas', and the answer is yes, they can. Humans, and bonobos both also can recognise consent. Oddly enough, only one of these two have documented episodes of rape.


BZZZZZZT

That's my 'you got it wrong' buzzer sound.

In genesis, a day is specifically defined in Genesis 1:5, which states: "God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day." This clearly defines a day as a cyclical period of evenings and mornings. Such things are not perceivable as having different lengths beyond a few hours relative to elevation; even astronauts on the ISS are capable of recognising the start of a day and night's onset from their position far above us.

This old apologetic was born still.


No, Genesis 2:7 says dirt. As has been explained by others and myself, dirt and clay are different things. Furthermore, it says that God breathed life into dirt to make man, not 'he breathed into the dirt the essence of life and waited for 1.4-odd billion years for man to eventually turn up."

Also, clay is not the 'building block of life', that would arguably be the nucleobases.


I told you already, if I may quote myself here:



To be frank, the entire context, which is of the Jews slaughtering a rival tribe that happened to be in their way FYI, is irrelevant in this context. You said:


The verse I posted is a response to that statement, calling your hypocrisy for supporting a book which demanded and justified killing, making it scummy by your own criteria.


So... you didn't hallucinate god talking to you; you believed that god could talk to people through others, and wanted it to happen. I wonder what the odds are of people talking to a believer about god is in such a manner.

Well get ready for your peak it will be strong till your 23. I love to educate young men about their sexuality. I was the same way now i cant stop thinking about sex. But you cant explain how multiple living cells cause me to think for myself i guess to say. And yes i explain god only goes to believers thats how he works and explains in john and they literally told me things only i knew.

Wait.... cognitive science and neuroscience is like.... totally a thing....

My dad is currently working with the Neruons project, I think that's what he called it. Now my dad's just a lowly microscope sales rep, but this stuff is far better understood than you seem to be aware of....

http://news.mit.edu/2010/brain-mapping

http://www.nature.com/news/human-brain-m...il-1.20285

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29-06-2017, 12:14 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Yup, you can't explain anything without "God", which has no explanatory power at all. How easily people are satisfied with having a three letter word, rather than the much less catchy "I don't know".

I even encourage the longer version, "I don't know, let's see if we can find out!". As is demonstrated here, religion does a fine job of squashing such thoughts.

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29-06-2017, 12:14 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 12:07 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  It's funny, as a kid I had hateful bile spat in my face (metaphorically), not only from children but from adults, because I was vegetarian. I never made an issue of it, people made a point of coming up to me while minding my own business and harassing me. Even my form teacher.

But now it's become much more acceptable, I'm more generally treated favorably. It's still common for people to rattle off the list of "reasons" why they eat meat (not that I ever ask) in a way eerily reminiscent of religious dogma. I hear the same reasons over and over, most of which don't stand up to any kind of logical scrutiny. This even applies to people who are otherwise logical. I don't bother to challenge the reasons unless the person is genuinely coming to me to have an open discussion about it, which is rare. I can tell it's mostly a reflex.

[I'm not trying to start a debate about the ethics of eating meat, I'm just sharing my experiences, and showing how well they fit this model.]

Naw dude I get it, I'm mostly pretty hated everywhere I go because I have this nasty habit of pointing out peoples bullshit wherever I find it. I'm sure there's a lot of people here who hate my guts cause I won't blindly line up with their pet ideologies. Otherwise rational people sometimes blindly sign onto the bandwagon of an idea that may be well intentioned or have a lot of good points but expect full compliance even with the bad ideas contained within that ideology.

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29-06-2017, 12:16 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 12:14 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  Yup, you can't explain anything without "God", which has no explanatory power at all. How easily people are satisfied with having a three letter word, rather than the much less catchy "I don't know".

I even encourage the longer version, "I don't know, let's see if we can find out!" As is demonstrated here, religion does a fine job of squashing such thoughts.

I don't know is a perfectly ok response to pretty much any question. In fact I kinda consider it fairly admirable, such a simple admission "I don't know" and yet so much power. Because once you admit what you don't know you can begin looking for the answer.

Filling the things you don't know with "god" (aka the god of the gaps), is one of the most shameful pitiable things a person can do. It's pathetic and stops all other learning and growth.

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29-06-2017, 12:19 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Absolutely. The saddest thing of all is when we do know, but because the particular religious person doesn't (or pretends not to), the answer must instead be God.

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29-06-2017, 12:22 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
"An answer which can fit any question is no answer at all."

(Me, just now.)

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29-06-2017, 01:06 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(28-06-2017 09:09 PM)JesseB Wrote:  
(28-06-2017 09:06 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Reason why is becuase there has to be order and hes disrupting order and cause disfunction i mean what else they suppose to do to keep the order. .

I'm beginning to think you're maybe schizophrenic you keep talking to no one.... Either that or you keep forgetting to quote the post that would add some level of understanding regarding what the fuck you're talking about...

However forgetting that I have no fucking clue what post your responding too her lets just analyze what it is you have in your response.

Damn... too easy.... baseless assertion. AKA meaningless nonsense. Try again please.

He is just particularly dim troll, who works like other dim trolls. By speaking nonsense he hope to rile people up.

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29-06-2017, 01:10 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
He's just following his programming by preaching and making sure not to accidentally learn anything. He really doesn't need us for this conversation.

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29-06-2017, 01:33 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 12:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  
(28-06-2017 11:05 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Being proud of somebody for not having sex is a tad weird. For the record, I am around 21.5.


I'd say the better question is 'can humans not be restrained by monogamous ideas', and the answer is yes, they can. Humans, and bonobos both also can recognise consent. Oddly enough, only one of these two have documented episodes of rape.


BZZZZZZT

That's my 'you got it wrong' buzzer sound.

In genesis, a day is specifically defined in Genesis 1:5, which states: "God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day." This clearly defines a day as a cyclical period of evenings and mornings. Such things are not perceivable as having different lengths beyond a few hours relative to elevation; even astronauts on the ISS are capable of recognising the start of a day and night's onset from their position far above us.

This old apologetic was born still.


No, Genesis 2:7 says dirt. As has been explained by others and myself, dirt and clay are different things. Furthermore, it says that God breathed life into dirt to make man, not 'he breathed into the dirt the essence of life and waited for 1.4-odd billion years for man to eventually turn up."

Also, clay is not the 'building block of life', that would arguably be the nucleobases.


I told you already, if I may quote myself here:



To be frank, the entire context, which is of the Jews slaughtering a rival tribe that happened to be in their way FYI, is irrelevant in this context. You said:


The verse I posted is a response to that statement, calling your hypocrisy for supporting a book which demanded and justified killing, making it scummy by your own criteria.


So... you didn't hallucinate god talking to you; you believed that god could talk to people through others, and wanted it to happen. I wonder what the odds are of people talking to a believer about god is in such a manner.

Well get ready for your peak it will be strong till your 23. I love to educate young men about their sexuality. I was the same way now i cant stop thinking about sex.

Trust me, I have lots and lot of experience in thinking things, all of which are arguably worse than 'I want to get laid,' and not carrying the them out.

(29-06-2017 12:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  But you cant explain how multiple living cells cause me to think for myself i guess to say.

See, now you are asking a substantive question!

Can I address how the cells that make up you, or more specifically your brain, allow you to think? Honestly, no I can't as I am not well read on the on the subject. That said however, what I can do is attempt to show that your brain is in fact what allows you to think at all, even if I can't explain the specific mechanisms.

I present to you The Curious Case of Phineas Gage; Phineas as a 19th century railway worker. During his time in this occupation, he sustained and surprisingly survived a most grievous injury.

A 3.2cm wide, 1.1 meter long iron rod was shot through his face.

The rod, used to pack detonating explosives for railway laying, entered his head just above the left jaw bone, passed behind is left eye, and shot through the the top of his skull, destroying much of his left-side frontal lobe as it passed. As previously stated, this much to the astonishment of all, failed to kill him; he convulsed on the ground for several minutes, but spoke shortly after, and was fulled capable of all the things he could do before the accident. Except control his behaviour.

Phineas's personally had changed completely with the accident, to the point that his friends said 'he was no longer Gage'. From a polite young man, to a rude and unrestrained jerk.

The Gage case has fascinated people to this day, and psychologists and neuroscientists are no exception; the tale of Phineas's injury had profound ramifications on the fields of human studies by demonstrating without doubt that human thought and 'personhood' originates from the physical brain, rather than a spiritual or metaphysical force, as shown by the changes he undertook immediately upon brain trauma.

This is compounded by experimentation with procedures like lobotomization, drug, and electrical therapies; outside influence on brain function can impact subject behavioural traits and thoughts depending on what methods are used and where they are applied.

(29-06-2017 12:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  And yes i explain god only goes to believers thats how he works and explains in john and they literally told me things only i knew.

If god only goes to believers, then it's a rather asinine activity, isn't it? If this is true, Heaven is not unlike an exclusive club where only people with the members card get to join. Of course, an alternate explanation is mental illness and/or selection bias.

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29-06-2017, 02:50 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 01:33 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(29-06-2017 12:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Well get ready for your peak it will be strong till your 23. I love to educate young men about their sexuality. I was the same way now i cant stop thinking about sex.

Trust me, I have lots and lot of experience in thinking things, all of which are arguably worse than 'I want to get laid,' and not carrying the them out.

(29-06-2017 12:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  But you cant explain how multiple living cells cause me to think for myself i guess to say.

See, now you are asking a substantive question!

Can I address how the cells that make up you, or more specifically your brain, allow you to think? Honestly, no I can't as I am not well read on the on the subject. That said however, what I can do is attempt to show that your brain is in fact what allows you to think at all, even if I can't explain the specific mechanisms.

I present to you The Curious Case of Phineas Gage; Phineas as a 19th century railway worker. During his time in this occupation, he sustained and surprisingly survived a most grievous injury.

A 3.2cm wide, 1.1 meter long iron rod was shot through his face.

The rod, used to pack detonating explosives for railway laying, entered his head just above the left jaw bone, passed behind is left eye, and shot through the the top of his skull, destroying much of his left-side frontal lobe as it passed. As previously stated, this much to the astonishment of all, failed to kill him; he convulsed on the ground for several minutes, but spoke shortly after, and was fulled capable of all the things he could do before the accident. Except control his behaviour.

Phineas's personally had changed completely with the accident, to the point that his friends said 'he was no longer Gage'. From a polite young man, to a rude and unrestrained jerk.

The Gage case has fascinated people to this day, and psychologists and neuroscientists are no exception; the tale of Phineas's injury had profound ramifications on the fields of human studies by demonstrating without doubt that human thought and 'personhood' originates from the physical brain, rather than a spiritual or metaphysical force, as shown by the changes he undertook immediately upon brain trauma.

This is compounded by experimentation with procedures like lobotomization, drug, and electrical therapies; outside influence on brain function can impact subject behavioural traits and thoughts depending on what methods are used and where they are applied.

(29-06-2017 12:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  And yes i explain god only goes to believers thats how he works and explains in john and they literally told me things only i knew.

If god only goes to believers, then it's a rather asinine activity, isn't it? If this is true, Heaven is not unlike an exclusive club where only people with the members card get to join. Of course, an alternate explanation is mental illness and/or selection bias.

Don't forget we have examples of less drastic trauma caused from long term exposure to sports like football and boxing. The effects of brain trauma are well documented. Lets just say if you like who you are and fear becoming someone else... protect your brain case, it's the single most important part of YOU there is.

(you being the current form of what you recognize as your self, id, homunculus, being, identity, meh the list of vague terms that we all kinda recognize that don't really define or mean anything goes on lol)

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