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29-06-2017, 03:00 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 02:50 AM)JesseB Wrote:  
(29-06-2017 01:33 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  Trust me, I have lots and lot of experience in thinking things, all of which are arguably worse than 'I want to get laid,' and not carrying the them out.


See, now you are asking a substantive question!

Can I address how the cells that make up you, or more specifically your brain, allow you to think? Honestly, no I can't as I am not well read on the on the subject. That said however, what I can do is attempt to show that your brain is in fact what allows you to think at all, even if I can't explain the specific mechanisms.

I present to you The Curious Case of Phineas Gage; Phineas as a 19th century railway worker. During his time in this occupation, he sustained and surprisingly survived a most grievous injury.

A 3.2cm wide, 1.1 meter long iron rod was shot through his face.

The rod, used to pack detonating explosives for railway laying, entered his head just above the left jaw bone, passed behind is left eye, and shot through the the top of his skull, destroying much of his left-side frontal lobe as it passed. As previously stated, this much to the astonishment of all, failed to kill him; he convulsed on the ground for several minutes, but spoke shortly after, and was fulled capable of all the things he could do before the accident. Except control his behaviour.

Phineas's personally had changed completely with the accident, to the point that his friends said 'he was no longer Gage'. From a polite young man, to a rude and unrestrained jerk.

The Gage case has fascinated people to this day, and psychologists and neuroscientists are no exception; the tale of Phineas's injury had profound ramifications on the fields of human studies by demonstrating without doubt that human thought and 'personhood' originates from the physical brain, rather than a spiritual or metaphysical force, as shown by the changes he undertook immediately upon brain trauma.

This is compounded by experimentation with procedures like lobotomization, drug, and electrical therapies; outside influence on brain function can impact subject behavioural traits and thoughts depending on what methods are used and where they are applied.


If god only goes to believers, then it's a rather asinine activity, isn't it? If this is true, Heaven is not unlike an exclusive club where only people with the members card get to join. Of course, an alternate explanation is mental illness and/or selection bias.

Don't forget we have examples of less drastic trauma caused from long term exposure to sports like football and boxing. The effects of brain trauma are well documented. Lets just say if you like who you are and fear becoming someone else... protect your brain case, it's the single most important part of YOU there is.

(you being the current form of what you recognize as your self, id, homunculus, being, identity, meh the list of vague terms that we all kinda recognize that don't really define or mean anything goes on lol)

That's true. I just like to use Gage as my example because the incident is so extreme and sudden for illustrative purposes.

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29-06-2017, 03:12 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 03:00 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(29-06-2017 02:50 AM)JesseB Wrote:  Don't forget we have examples of less drastic trauma caused from long term exposure to sports like football and boxing. The effects of brain trauma are well documented. Lets just say if you like who you are and fear becoming someone else... protect your brain case, it's the single most important part of YOU there is.

(you being the current form of what you recognize as your self, id, homunculus, being, identity, meh the list of vague terms that we all kinda recognize that don't really define or mean anything goes on lol)

That's true. I just like to use Gage as my example because the incident is so extreme and sudden for illustrative purposes.

Yea, I'm just trying to reinforce your point by adding even more examples, you already know that the list goes on however SV is painfully ignorant on almost every topic there is to know about so it's really easy to rub it in....


Another example, one of my cousins is like 8ft tall, he was huge at birth (I'm gonna say 10 lb but really I don't fucking know I just know he was huge) he was so big that the doctors needed to do a C section in order to avoid permanent brain damage (and they knew this). Despite that they had a normal vaginal birth crushing his skull in the process. Now my cousin Brian I think is one of the smartest people in my family (mostly cause he never calls me stupid, he listens when I talk nerdy stuff about computers and learns it rather well), however developmentally... he's prolly about on par with a preteen maybe even younger with regards to emotional type stuff. It's a direct result of brain trauma. Also... I think my family in general are all pretty stupid. What's annoying is my family compares me to him all the time... Like... Nooo I'm not developmentally handicapped, I'm not stupid, I didn't suffer from brain trauma. Though my dad did send me to the hospital with collapsed lungs when I was an infant about 1 year old. But... my dad's kinda a dick and I already know that.

My point again though is protect that lump of biomass between your ears if you value who you are.

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29-06-2017, 05:41 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 12:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  
(28-06-2017 11:05 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Being proud of somebody for not having sex is a tad weird. For the record, I am around 21.5.


I'd say the better question is 'can humans not be restrained by monogamous ideas', and the answer is yes, they can. Humans, and bonobos both also can recognise consent. Oddly enough, only one of these two have documented episodes of rape.


BZZZZZZT

That's my 'you got it wrong' buzzer sound.

In genesis, a day is specifically defined in Genesis 1:5, which states: "God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day." This clearly defines a day as a cyclical period of evenings and mornings. Such things are not perceivable as having different lengths beyond a few hours relative to elevation; even astronauts on the ISS are capable of recognising the start of a day and night's onset from their position far above us.

This old apologetic was born still.


No, Genesis 2:7 says dirt. As has been explained by others and myself, dirt and clay are different things. Furthermore, it says that God breathed life into dirt to make man, not 'he breathed into the dirt the essence of life and waited for 1.4-odd billion years for man to eventually turn up."

Also, clay is not the 'building block of life', that would arguably be the nucleobases.


I told you already, if I may quote myself here:



To be frank, the entire context, which is of the Jews slaughtering a rival tribe that happened to be in their way FYI, is irrelevant in this context. You said:


The verse I posted is a response to that statement, calling your hypocrisy for supporting a book which demanded and justified killing, making it scummy by your own criteria.


So... you didn't hallucinate god talking to you; you believed that god could talk to people through others, and wanted it to happen. I wonder what the odds are of people talking to a believer about god is in such a manner.

Well get ready for your peak it will be strong till your 23. I love to educate young men about their sexuality. I was the same way now i cant stop thinking about sex. But you cant explain how multiple living cells cause me to think for myself i guess to say. And yes i explain god only goes to believers thats how he works and explains in john and they literally told me things only i knew.

That's really creepy, you sound like you're 12, so "young men" that you educate would be about 10.

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29-06-2017, 06:11 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(28-06-2017 07:00 PM)socialistview Wrote:  you know you people are a bunch of nihilist no imagination whats so ever

I dont believe that you know what a nihilist is. Please prove me wrong.

Quote:no imagination whats so ever

I have a very active imagination and enjoy a lot of fantasy and fiction as long as it is well-written (which leaves out your bible). On the other hand, it's good that you admit that you need imagination to believe in your god.

Quote:the bible is trying to give you hope of something better

Hope is good. The bible doesn't offer any real hope though since it can't back up anything it says. It is of value only to the gullible.

Quote: but your saying i only believe what i see. talking about me being brainwashed all i hear is you following what the secular world says. And i have people who can tell you these experiences themselves.

Nobody denies that people have experiences. We don't question that. What we question is what they attribute them to.

(28-06-2017 07:16 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Your saying all these things that are not true. we have always come to the point of evidence for justification or the lack there of.

Correct. No evidence, no belief. It's that simple. If you have no evidence you may as well go away.

Quote: I am explaining to you the principles of the book and not attempting to prove it to you by means of physical evidence but by ways of theology.

You can't prove ANYTHING using theology. Theology is nothing but one imagination feeding off another. I deal with reality and what can be demonstrated to be true and have no use for any claims of truth that are not supported by evidence.

Quote: The bible says no proof will be given and so there is no proof.

Very convenient for the con men and grifters, don't you think? Just how gullible are you?

Quote:Im trying to give another side to the story of the bible by explaining to you what it clearly says becuase i know you think the bible is full of bigotry tyranny hatred and conflict, and im saying the bible is opposite of that. Plus, not only am i trying to show you differently i am trying to convert you by way of theology that it has.

The bible is full of bigotry, tyranny, hatred, and conflict. You exemplify a lot of those traits yourself which may be partly why you can't see how vile and disgusting it is. You trying to convert anybody "by way of theology" is just hilarious. You know nothing of the history of the bible or the religion except what you've been spoon-fed to believe. There are many who can argue theology and almost make it sound convincing despite it having no ties to reality but you couldn't argue that water is wet and be convincing

(28-06-2017 07:47 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Its like you have no hope for your life your just going to live poor for the rest of your life becuase you cant see any visible venue to lead you towards riches. But you could actually become rich even if you become rich when your sixty.

I have plenty of hope but I rely on myself and my actual friends to work towards improving things. I don't rely on imaginary friends like you do and I don't work to gain a delusion of riches when I can have reality.

(28-06-2017 07:48 PM)socialistview Wrote:  God is both man and woman.

Must make it hard for you then; how do you love the god but hate the part that you think of as a slut that is just out to trap you?

(28-06-2017 08:35 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Becuase your a rich white mofo and content in not seeing african children pray to god becuase they have no other hope.

Better that they understand reality so that they might work to change their condition than being content with seeing them praying to an imaginary god while they slowly starve to death.

(28-06-2017 08:39 PM)socialistview Wrote:  The earth is the female part of god.

Facepalm

(28-06-2017 09:06 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Reason why is becuase there has to be order and hes disrupting order and cause disfunction i mean what else they suppose to do to keep the order. .

Yeah, what else could you possibly do other than stoning?

It's no wonder you think the bible is good.. you really are as morally bankrupt as it is.

(28-06-2017 10:04 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You should read genesis 1 and 2 and see where it fails with evolution

Ive read them many times. They contradict each other and they get the order of events wrong even ignoring the massive timing issues.

Quote: clay is the building block of life

No, it isn't.

Quote:but you cant tell me how something lifeless comes to life.

Read a book other than your bible for once.

Quote:And put the whole psalm see what its talking about. And my experiences i wanted god to talk to me through people and he did like the person said something is telling me to tell you this literally.

gibberish ignored

(29-06-2017 12:05 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Well get ready for your peak it will be strong till your 23. I love to educate young men about their sexuality.

I'm sure you do. Closet gay as well?

Quote: I was the same way now i cant stop thinking about sex.

Oooh... Jebus no likey the dirty thoughts!

Quote:And yes i explain god only goes to believers thats how he works and explains in john and they literally told me things only i knew.

"That's how he works" is NOT an explanation. A god that only shows himself to people that already believe he exists can't be distinguished from a delusion.

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29-06-2017, 06:56 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 12:10 AM)JesseB Wrote:  Wait.... cognitive science and neuroscience is like.... totally a thing....

My dad is currently working with the Neruons project, I think that's what he called it. Now my dad's just a lowly microscope sales rep, but this stuff is far better understood than you seem to be aware of....

I Heart neurology - I could type that stuff literally all day. Currently hoping to be selected for a local research study.

I'm sorry, but your beliefs are much too silly to take seriously. Got anything else we can discuss?
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29-06-2017, 06:59 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(28-06-2017 08:35 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Becuase your a rich white mofo and content in not seeing african children pray to god becuase they have no other hope.

So how much do *you* donate to the real-world aid of those children? Hopefully it's an amount > 0, as prayers don't buy food, clothing and shelter (q.v. Matthew 25:35-40).

I'm sorry, but your beliefs are much too silly to take seriously. Got anything else we can discuss?
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29-06-2017, 08:33 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(28-06-2017 08:35 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(28-06-2017 07:52 PM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  > Nope! I'm a Humanist. I am also rich in the sense that I live a frugal life and have (or have had) everything I could possibly want. Big Grin

Becuase your a rich white mofo and content in not seeing african children pray to god becuase they have no other hope.

> Wrong! I donate to UNICEF on a regular basis. Pardon my French, but you know nothing about me and you're clearly a lying sack of shit! Angry
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29-06-2017, 08:48 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
SV is ever more clearly revealing himself as a troll. Whether he's getting off on it or just is a natural at doing it without thinking about it, he's not worth the investment of trying to reason with him. I've had him on ignore now for a few weeks and I haven't missed a thing.
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29-06-2017, 08:56 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 08:33 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  
(28-06-2017 08:35 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Becuase your a rich white mofo and content in not seeing african children pray to god becuase they have no other hope.

> Wrong! I donate to UNICEF on a regular basis. Pardon my French, but you know nothing about me and you're clearly a lying sack of shit! Angry

I've physically been to Ghana in west Africa to help build a school over there. I'm white but I'm not rich by any stretch, had to raise the money to go as well.

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29-06-2017, 09:33 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 08:56 AM)OakTree500 Wrote:  
(29-06-2017 08:33 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  > Wrong! I donate to UNICEF on a regular basis. Pardon my French, but you know nothing about me and you're clearly a lying sack of shit! Angry

I've physically been to Ghana in west Africa to help build a school over there. I'm white but I'm not rich by any stretch, had to raise the money to go as well.
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