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30-06-2017, 01:24 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(30-06-2017 12:54 AM)JesseB Wrote:  
(30-06-2017 12:46 AM)Astreja Wrote:  I'm getting a vision -- a new entry to the ban log within the next 48 hours.

well he was warned and immediately ignored the warning, somehow I have a feeling your prediction will be correct.

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30-06-2017, 01:31 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
I wish there was a way of pulling people out of their bubble for just 5 minutes, so they can see what they sound like. This is really sad to see a brain so completely shut down.

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30-06-2017, 01:32 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(30-06-2017 01:31 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  I wish there was a way of pulling people out of their bubble for just 5 minutes, so they can see what they sound like. This is really sad to see a brain so completely shut down.

But if we did that religion really would die in one fell swoop.... Wait.... >.> I'm ok with this...

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30-06-2017, 01:34 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(30-06-2017 01:31 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  I wish there was a way of pulling people out of their bubble for just 5 minutes, so they can see what they sound like. This is really sad to see a brain so completely shut down.

> “The human race has suffered for centuries and is still suffering from the mental disorder known as religion, and atheism is the only physician that will be able to effect a permanent cure.” (Joseph Lewis) Consider
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30-06-2017, 05:14 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
The final nail in the coffin for me, on top of all the other reasons I wouldn't join a religion (true or not) is that you have no guarantees. You can suck Jesus' dick your whole life and he could just decide to torture you anyway. So I'll stand by my own morality, and anyone presuming to judge me will have to make do.

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30-06-2017, 05:55 AM (This post was last modified: 30-06-2017 08:09 AM by unfogged.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(29-06-2017 10:32 PM)socialistview Wrote:  you have no evidence that these things didnt happen dumbass.

That's not how the burden of proof works. You claim they did happen so please provide links to the evidence... and links to bible verses are not evidence. We know the stories. We also know that Odysseus had his men plug their ears and tie him up so he could hear the sirens and that a giant cyclops ate some of his men. We don't believe those claims either.

(29-06-2017 11:55 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Though also story of abraham him and sara fell so much in disbelief that abraham agreed to have sex with a slave girl to give him the promised child. or noah had to wait a thousand years of telling people the worlds about to flood before it did. Or joseph had the dream as a kid to be pharoahs right hand man and be superior to his brothers. Or samson had faith to bring down everything without his hair. And david has the prophetic message that he would become king while saul was still king. Or jeremiah said the Babylonian exile was going to happen when the king wanted to fight. Or danial when they were in Babylon and god promised them that they would go back to the promise land but it didnt look like that. Or jericho and much more.

Yes, there are many stories in many mythologies. There's just no reason to believe any of it actually happened, especially when we know the provenance and can trace the story back through various cultures and see how it changed over time.

You are just wholly ignorant of how the bible came to be. I'd suggest reading some Bart Ehrman but he writes in whole sentences and uses punctuation so you'd probably have a hard time with it.

(29-06-2017 11:59 PM)socialistview Wrote:  isnt a hypothesis an educated guess. so could faith be a hypothesis of whats going to happen.

A hypothesis might be described as an educated guess but pulling something out of your ass isn't the same as an educated guess. An educated guess is an extrapolation based on evidence and experience. Faith is wishful thinking at best.

(30-06-2017 12:02 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Thats not proselytizing i try to tell you vut you deny my point so i give the bible to show you where im taking this point from.

And we keep telling you that the bible is the claim, not the evidence. You can't use the bible to prove the bible. If you can't get your points from something that is demonstrably true then don't bother; we don't care.

(30-06-2017 12:19 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Faith is belief do you have belief in the things you do.

Faith is belief without evidence. I do not have faith in anything. I have varying degrees of trust based on experience and I have hope but I know the difference. Believers rarely seem to be able to understand that trust, hope, and wishful thinking are not the same thing.

(30-06-2017 12:44 AM)socialistview Wrote:  so what evidence do you need to believe that moses abraham joshua and the isrealites leaving egypt and the conquest of isreal to be true.

According to the story of Exdous, something like 2 MILLLION people spent 40 years in a relatively small area of the world moving from encampment to encampment. They would leave broken equipment, refuse, and buried bodies everywhere and the desert is amazing at preserving objects. When archaeologists search they find... nothing. The story is mythology.

When they look at the damaged cities in and around Israel they find that they were damaged and rebuilt multiple times and that the times they were inhabited don't match up with the biblical accounts. The writers took local legends and stories about ruins and wove them into a single (disgusting and bloodthirsty) narrative to promote their "right" to the land. It is mythology and propaganda.

To even begin to believe any of the stories I'd need to see the physical evidence that would be normally expected from such events. Since the results from searching for any trace of that evidence is zero...

Quote: And the flood i read that they do have evidence for it.

You read somewhere that "they" do have evidence and that's where you stopped thinking about it, right? No need to look at what it is that is being presented as evidence or if any other explanation makes more sense. Somebody said that you can believe because they believe and you bought it.

There is plenty of evidence for local floods all over the world at various times. There is no evidence of a single world-wide flood. It never happened. Get over it.

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30-06-2017, 06:52 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(30-06-2017 12:44 AM)socialistview Wrote:  so what evidence do you need to believe that moses abraham joshua and the isrealites leaving egypt and the conquest of isreal to be true. And the flood i read that they do have evidence for it.

You can barely type a coherent sentence. I refuse to believe you can read.
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30-06-2017, 07:42 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(30-06-2017 12:44 AM)socialistview Wrote:  so what evidence do you need to believe that moses abraham joshua and the isrealites leaving egypt and the conquest of isreal to be true. And the flood i read that they do have evidence for it.
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30-06-2017, 08:23 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Four decades ago, Edwin Yamauchi introduced what he called “archaeological fractions” in The Stones and the Scriptures:

A fraction of remains survive to be discovered.
A fraction of ancient sites have been surveyed.
A fraction of known sites have been meaningfully excavated.
A fraction of what has been found has been academically published.
A fraction of what has been discovered and published pertains to the Bible.
Given this limited scope, we must be cautious in our assessments that any single find proves or disproves the Bible.
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30-06-2017, 08:29 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(30-06-2017 08:23 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Four decades ago, Edwin Yamauchi introduced what he called “archaeological fractions” in The Stones and the Scriptures:

A fraction of remains survive to be discovered.
A fraction of ancient sites have been surveyed.
A fraction of known sites have been meaningfully excavated.
A fraction of what has been found has been academically published.
A fraction of what has been discovered and published pertains to the Bible.
Given this limited scope, we must be cautious in our assessments that any single find proves or disproves the Bible.

That's not how evidence works dipshit.

The Bible makes a claim, if there is no evidence in support of it, the reasonable thing to do is acknowledge that there is no evidence to support that claim, and thus no reason to think it is accurate or true.

But that's not what you do. You assume the claim as true, and now try to turn around and complain about how they haven't been disproven? Skeptics don't need to prove a negative for the assertion itself to be shown to be baseless.

Claims require evidence, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Claims made without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

Your flood story is bullshit. Not only is there no evidence in support of a worldwide flood, all evidence available contradicts the claims of the Bible. The story is an ancient fabrication, complete and total bullshit.

So kindly go fuck yourself. Again.

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