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05-07-2017, 06:50 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
And what about this.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-na...102813115/
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05-07-2017, 07:02 PM (This post was last modified: 05-07-2017 08:37 PM by Free Thought.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(05-07-2017 05:35 PM)socialistview Wrote:  They were too embarrassed about being defeated by the hated forieners
http://m.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contrib...say-348464

Seen that apologetic before, holds no weight. The Egyptians were notorious as something approaching a culture of historians. Plenty of defeats were recorded in their histories before and after the Exodus is supposed to have occurred; there is no rationally consistent reason why they would record any other defeat, and not the enormous slave uprising the Exodus would have been. Even if we assume that they were too bashful and in a huff to all sudden stop writing, why would the entire destruction of their nation not be recorded anywhere? Not by their enemies, not by historians later recounting the tales of their rivers turning to blood and all the firstborn and cattle dying?
If a nation as powerful as Egypt at the time suddenly crumbled (as would unquestionably have happened due to the supposed plagues), why were they not taken over, or at least incurred upon? Why does their history continue without a trace of nation-wide collapse at all, even if unnamed? Why did nobody in the region by the Jews notice this?
If we assume they were too busy pouting to record the single most significant even in national history, and nobody else invaded their lands and took over, and that they managed to continue their histories and lineages without interference, and that the Jews were the only ones to notice what happened; why is there no evidence of the exodus archaeologically? That was an enormous number of people moving in one mass belonging to a culture considered distinct in their region at the time by modern archaeologists due to notable cultural practises (a la no pig bones in surviving dumps), and yet they left absolutely nothing? Not a single metaphorical thread?

Your linked article tries to sidestep the last issue by bringing up a time where such an even may have happened, but fails because the author never actually addresses the lack of archaeological evidence; even if we assume their conclusions to be accurate, the fact that there was a time period where events may have coincided to allow it, there is still no evidence to believe the Exodus actually happened, as the writer admits in their opening paragraph.


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05-07-2017, 07:28 PM (This post was last modified: 05-07-2017 07:32 PM by Free Thought.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(05-07-2017 06:50 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And what about this.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-na...102813115/

First off I shall say again what plenty of people in the thread have already said; nobody has any problems with the idea of flood myths being common. They are a widely accepted fact of histories from cultures that lived near areas prone to flooding. As many such ancient cultures tended to be, given that they mostly resided near freshwater sources due to the whole not having the ability to pump vast amounts of potable water places.

That said, this book? It doesn't attest to the Noah's Arc fable. It is very clear that it refers only to an event wherein the Black Sea region was flooded by melting glacial waters. This is not a global flood as in the Torah and Bible. Furthermore, the evidence behind aspects of it is shady, if I may quote your own article:

Quote:"It is unlikely that the Indo-European languages split up before 3500 B.C. (that is, 2,000 years after the Black Sea flood)," says University of Chicago linguist Bill Darden, basing his conclusion on this sort of argument.

The linguistical aspect of the book is disputed.

If I may quote a different source this time: an academic book review by Prof. Leo Kadanoff, published in the journal Perspectives in Biology and Medicine vol. 44.2 (2001) pp. 307-309; retrieved here: http://jfi.uchicago.edu/~leop/SciencePap...0Flood.pdf

Quote:Another major portion of the book is devoted to the archaeological, linguistic, and cultural investigations of the geographical areas presumed to have gained the post-flood migrants. The investigators and their stories are wonderfully romantic and gave me happy hours of reading. The discoveries are quite exciting. But the authors have to work very hard to bring these discoveries to bear upon their own flood story. There is hardly any direct evidence that their flood triggered any post-deluge population migration. While the book's argument is not implausible, I believe the authors do protest too much.

As for Noah. The book tells us how the biblical story--written perhaps 3,000 years ago--might have come to the Hebrew Bible, via Sumerian and other early sources first written perhaps 3,000 years earlier. There is a then a gap of perhaps 1,000 to 1,500 years, in which the story presumably would have been preserved by an oral tradition. But again there is no evidence. There is no more reason to believe that the Black Sea flood led to the Sumerian version of the Noah story, than that it informed the story of the exodus from Egypt or the Amerindian flood myths. In the end, then, the authors are trying to make their own myth. It's fun to watch

This book does you no favours; half of it is disputed, the other half goes against the global floodmyth, and it details the likelihood of the Noah myth being taken from older cultures that existed prior to the Jewish recounting, as Kadanoff relays to us.

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05-07-2017, 09:23 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(05-07-2017 05:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Mabe gentiles dont deserve evidence.

Sure, you just made 'gentile' synonymous with 'skeptic', and conversely you also just made 'Christian' synonymous with 'gullible'.


If your god can only give evidence to those who already believe, is it really evidence or just confirmation bias? If your god cannot convince a skeptic, just how small and pathetic is your god?


Just keep on truckin' you stupid cunt.

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06-07-2017, 05:51 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(05-07-2017 05:35 PM)socialistview Wrote:  They were too embarrassed about being defeated by the hated forieners
http://m.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contrib...say-348464

An article that admits there is NO evidence that the exodus happened is not a very compelling argument that it might have happened. Saying "here's a time when it might have been" is pointless unless they follow it up with "and here's the evidence that it actually was".

(05-07-2017 06:50 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And what about this.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-na...102813115/

An article proposing a possible local flood event does not support the idea of a global flood. IF that happened then it may have contributed to the myth but that's not evidence for the myth.

Even if I granted all the suppositions in both articles they would only add up to possible sources of or influences on the myths of the exodus and the flood. The stories as presented in the bible are contradicted by the evidence and the idea that some relatively minor events bear some similarity to some aspects of the myth is pretty irrelevant except to people that study how mythologies develop.

You are really grasping at straws here.

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06-07-2017, 06:17 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(06-07-2017 05:51 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 05:35 PM)socialistview Wrote:  They were too embarrassed about being defeated by the hated forieners
http://m.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contrib...say-348464

An article that admits there is NO evidence that the exodus happened is not a very compelling argument that it might have happened. Saying "here's a time when it might have been" is pointless unless they follow it up with "and here's the evidence that it actually was".

(05-07-2017 06:50 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And what about this.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-na...102813115/

An article proposing a possible local flood event does not support the idea of a global flood. IF that happened then it may have contributed to the myth but that's not evidence for the myth.

Even if I granted all the suppositions in both articles they would only add up to possible sources of or influences on the myths of the exodus and the flood. The stories as presented in the bible are contradicted by the evidence and the idea that some relatively minor events bear some similarity to some aspects of the myth is pretty irrelevant except to people that study how mythologies develop.

You are really grasping at straws here.

Correction on the second part; it's an article about a book proposing etc.

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08-07-2017, 02:30 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
You sure they wrote everything about themselves. Noah had to wait a thousand years before the flood so thats enough time for a catostrophic flood by glaciers and thats what the article is saying flooding over the whole planet.
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08-07-2017, 02:32 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Ya the language change is the time of babel shortly after the flood.
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08-07-2017, 02:34 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Are you looking for clay pots and everything for the exodus.
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08-07-2017, 03:20 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(08-07-2017 02:30 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You sure they wrote everything about themselves. Noah had to wait a thousand years before the flood so thats enough time for a catostrophic flood by glaciers and thats what the article is saying flooding over the whole planet.

There was no flood.
There was no Noah.
Nobody lived hundreds of years.
Glaciers have nothing to do with this.
Grow the fuck up.

(08-07-2017 02:32 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ya the language change is the time of babel shortly after the flood.

Languages were diverse long before the supposed tower of Babel. It's a fucking myth.

(08-07-2017 02:34 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Are you looking for clay pots and everything for the exodus.

I'll take ANY evidence at all... since there isn't any it really doesn't matter. You think 2 million people with all their livestock lived in a relatively small region for 40 years and left no trace at all. Your gullibility has no bounds.

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