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08-07-2017, 11:28 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
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>.> I happen to love this game. Wish I still had it, I'd totally still play it.

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08-07-2017, 11:30 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(08-07-2017 10:59 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I'ma gonna invent a procrastination game.
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09-07-2017, 02:27 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
The Bible is not history. There was no Egyptian captivity, no exodus. The Bible claims that 75 or so people went into Egypt and were there for 430 years. The supposedly left in immense numbers, Numbers says 600,000 men of fighting age.

But the earliest Israelites were typical Canaanites. They showed almost no Egyptianisms in language or culture, which one would expect starting with 75 illiterate herdsman who lived in Egypt for centuries. Their pottery was typical Canaanite with absolutely no Egyptian styles or motifs. They had no Egyptian motifs in art, tool making, clothing or anything else.

Near East archaeologists are well aware of all of that. The only straw the mythicists have to grab for are the fact that Egyptian weights and measures were used in ancient Israel, but that is what you'd expect with trade with Egypt being a major trading partner with Canaan and the Levant.

Written history outside the OT is spotty, but the tell tale evidence I wrote here of is hard to ignore. Plus known Egyptian history, military campaigns of Seti, Rameses II, Rameses III and Merneptah show no signs of evidence in the old testament tall tales, demonstrating those were not history and the writers of those tall tales knew little about real history.

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09-07-2017, 04:44 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Anything that supports his position is good evidence. Anything that contradicts it is bad evidence.

He's clearly unable or unwilling to break this mental trap. He can't objectively assess any sort of evidence when it relates to this topic.

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09-07-2017, 06:43 AM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(08-07-2017 08:48 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ok unfogged since bread dropped down from the sky and god said people wont live over age 120.

Manna is not bread; you've been given a link to possible interpretations of what your favorite fairy tale is referencing. It may also just be fantasy. You'd have to be a gullible idiot to believe the stories as written are literally true.

"God" never said anything and it doesn't take divine knowledge to see that people don't live over age 120. They rarely live over age 100. You don't think the people writing your fairy tale knew that already?


(08-07-2017 10:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Did the egyptians write there fall of their civilization and conquer alexander the great. Becuase all i see is that they did write down their defeats but also thier victories that happened there after. So it seems the egyptians were trying to keep a nationalist history of their civilization.

The Egyptians kept records but, as has been pointed out repeatedly, that isn't our only source. According to the story the Egyptian economy was largely dependent on the Hebrew slaves until their god caused massive upheavals killing ALL the livestock (twice -- neat trick that), decimating the crops and killing an entire generation of Egyptians, not to mention a sizable chunk of the Egyptian army.

Even if they wanted to cover it up the Egyptians could not have kept that secret from the neighboring countries. They would probably have been invaded; at the very least the surrounding nations would have legends of Egypt being dealt a crushing blow. We'd also have archeological evidence of the Egyptian civilization being set back.

We have absolutely NO evidence of any of it except for a story in a book that we know is not reliable. Grow the fuck up and put the fairy tales down.

(08-07-2017 11:03 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Im giving you indirect evidence to prove the claim. Read the article again and tell me what evidence it gives

You are not providing evidence of any kind. You are parroting myths that have been shown to be false. The bible is the claim; it is not evidence.

Quote:i mean freethought was talking about the egytians being historians and one those articles said their was evidence of jews being in egypt.

"Jews" came much later. I would be surprised if there weren't any Canaanites in Egypt around the proposed times of the exodus. It also wouldn't be that hard to believe that a small number were enslaved, or at least living under conditions that they considered to be enslavement, or that they ran away and made it back to Canaan.

Whether anything like that ever actually happened and if it inspired a story that grew in the telling is largely irrelevant. The exodus story in the bible is a work of fiction. There were never 600000 male Hebrew slaves with their families and livestock who left Egypt en masse and wandered around 40 years lost in an area that was pretty well known with established trading routes. It is obvious nonsense to anybody who thinks about it rationally for even a few minutes.

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09-07-2017, 01:25 PM (This post was last modified: 09-07-2017 01:37 PM by Cheerful Charlie.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(09-07-2017 06:43 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 08:48 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ok unfogged since bread dropped down from the sky and god said people wont live over age 120.


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There were never 600000 male Hebrew slaves with their families and livestock who left Egypt en masse and wandered around 40 years lost in an area that was pretty well known with established trading routes. It is obvious nonsense to anybody who thinks about it rationally for even a few minutes.

They did not wander round lost for 40 years. Supposedly they camped out at Kadesh-Barnea for about 36 years. Archaeologists know about where that is. There are a series of springs there. The tall tale writers supposed that was a good place to write into their tall tales. But there are no signs whatsoever there of an immense 36 year occupation. Which if Numbers can be considered correct in the population of the exodus Israelites, would have been by far, the largest city in the Near East.

Near East archaeologists have looked very carefully in that area for confirmation of something like the exodus tall tale. Evidence that should be there if the tales were based on fact, no matter how tenuous simply is not there. No middens, no hearths or fire pits, no pottery, no remnants of crude house foundations, no graves, nothing.

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09-07-2017, 01:51 PM (This post was last modified: 09-07-2017 01:54 PM by JesseB.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(09-07-2017 02:27 AM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  The Bible is not history. There was no Egyptian captivity, no exodus. The Bible claims that 75 or so people went into Egypt and were there for 430 years. The supposedly left in immense numbers, Numbers says 600,000 men of fighting age.

But the earliest Israelites were typical Canaanites. They showed almost no Egyptianisms in language or culture, which one would expect starting with 75 illiterate herdsman who lived in Egypt for centuries. Their pottery was typical Canaanite with absolutely no Egyptian styles or motifs. They had no Egyptian motifs in art, tool making, clothing or anything else.

Near East archaeologists are well aware of all of that. The only straw the mythicists have to grab for are the fact that Egyptian weights and measures were used in ancient Israel, but that is what you'd expect with trade with Egypt being a major trading partner with Canaan and the Levant.

Written history outside the OT is spotty, but the tell tale evidence I wrote here of is hard to ignore. Plus known Egyptian history, military campaigns of Seti, Rameses II, Rameses III and Merneptah show no signs of evidence in the old testament tall tales, demonstrating those were not history and the writers of those tall tales knew little about real history.

Math is also a thing, take 75 people and a very aggressive population growth pattern for 450 years and you're not going to get over 600,000 people out of it.... Just want to point that out. I mean countries with high population growth can't beat 10% per year growth, and that's including immigration ya? if looking at only the birth rate you're looking at a growth rate of closer to 1-2% I think.... I don't know these numbers just don't add up... Wait isn't the name of the book "numbers"? I smell shenanigans about.

And before SV whines about people not being there so no one know's well.... we do have recorded population sizes and census data from that far back that would indicate population growth hasn't seen any dramatic shift through documented human history. Certainly not the kind of shift that would allow 75 people to become almost double or tripple 600,000 (fighting men would likely make up less than a third of the total population, but I'll be generous here. I mean you have women, children, and elderly folks, and people injured or sick that can no longer fight, and people who are of age but don't fight because they suck at it so they end up helping the tribe in other ways like pottery, making stuff, ect.... whatever the point is these numbers suck, its such obvious fucking bullshit you can see it from mars without a telescope)

Here at 450 years with 75 people starting, with no immigration at 1.1% growth you're looking at a population size of 10564.14 for a point of reference

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09-07-2017, 01:59 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
Let's try not to forget that it was only like what 100 years ago that medical technology could finally make it so most children survive birth and early childhood, back then the number of babies that died at birth or before reaching an age where they can fend for themselves was pretty fucking high. Something worth remembering if you're gonna start looking at the math involved here with regards to population growth.

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09-07-2017, 02:01 PM (This post was last modified: 09-07-2017 02:04 PM by JesseB.)
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(08-07-2017 08:48 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 03:20 PM)unfogged Wrote:  There was no flood.
There was no Noah.
Nobody lived hundreds of years.
Glaciers have nothing to do with this.
Grow the fuck up.


Languages were diverse long before the supposed tower of Babel. It's a fucking myth.


I'll take ANY evidence at all... since there isn't any it really doesn't matter. You think 2 million people with all their livestock lived in a relatively small region for 40 years and left no trace at all. Your gullibility has no bounds.

Ok unfogged since bread dropped down from the sky and god said people wont live over age 120.

People live to be over 120 years old you ignorant twat

People have NEVER lived to be 1,000 years old though. They haven't ever lived hundreds of years either (200+)

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09-07-2017, 02:29 PM
RE: Sorry for the last post wrong word but to ask is God actually a bad guy.
(09-07-2017 01:25 PM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  They did not wander round lost for 40 years. Supposedly they camped out at Kadesh-Barnea for about 36 years.

Good point; I'd actually read it fairly recently and forgot that they weren't just always on the move. Unfortunately for SV that makes it even more obvious that it never happened.

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