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29-06-2015, 01:30 AM
Southern Christian Rhetoric
Remembered something from my history courses at the university, which kept "pinging" my mental radar as my family and their Southern social circles spent most of the last 3 days screaming various invective about the Supreme Court "tyrants" and their recent Gay Marriage equal rights ruling... oh, and all the complaints about the "real America" doing fine without the interference, and how "malcontents" and outside "agitators" are the ones pushing for disharmony in the USA. My Facebook Timeline is swarming with terms like this, right now.

I had already been using the argument for years now (back when they were using the "call it anything but Marriage" argument, calling them Civil Unions) that no, Majority, when you're giving different status to minorities, Separate Is Not Equal.

When I was working as a field biologist for the Kansas Dep't of Health & Environment, my office was literally across the street from the Board of Education of Topeka, so I'm perhaps a bit more sensitive than most Southerners to "separate but equal"-type arguments. In any case, the parallel language connection finally clicked, and I looked up the passage, below. Feel free to mentally substitute "Gay Marriage" for "Public School" (and "marriage"/"civil unions" for "education"/"segregated schools") and "homosexual" for "negro" as you read along. Is this not exactly what we're hearing, right now? It certainly sounds the same to me. Most insulting, I think is when (now, as then) they claim to be loving and conciliatory, and sound baffled why these "outside agitators", then as now meaning the local people who just no longer wish to deal with being discriminated against and their allies who believed in supporting the oppressed and being on the right side of history. Pay attention; we're going to have to explain this to our grandchildren, who won't understand why people were so bigoted now, as we must do when explaining crazy and embarassing racist sh*t our grandfather was saying as he half-slept, upright, in the living room easy chair.
(Bold highlights are my own.)

The Southern Manifesto (1956)

The unwarranted decision of the Supreme Court in the public school cases is now bearing the fruit always produced when men substitute naked power for established law.

The Founding Fathers gave us a Constitution of checks and balances because they realized the inescapable lesson of history that no man or group of men can be safely entrusted with unlimited power. They framed this Constitution with its provisions for change by amendment in order to secure the fundamentals of government against the dangers of temporary popular passion or the personal predilections of public officeholders.

We regard the decision of the Supreme Court in the school cases as clear abuse of judicial power. It climaxes a trend in the Federal judiciary undertaking to legislate, in derogation of the authority of Congress, and to encroach upon the reserved rights of the states and the people.

The original Constitutional does not mention education. Neither does the Fourteenth Amendment nor any other amendment. The debates preceding the submission of the Fourteenth Amendment clearly show that there was no intent that it should affect the systems of education maintained by the states.

The very Congress which proposed the amendment subsequently provided for segregated schools in the District of Columbia.

When the amendment was adopted in 1868, there were thirty-seven states of the Union. Every one of the twenty-six states that had any substantial racial differences among its people either approved the operation of segregated schools already in existence or subsequently established such schools by action of the same law-making body which considered the Fourteenth Amendment.

As admitted by the Supreme Court in the public school case (Brown v. Board of Education), the doctrine of separate but equal schools "apparently originated in Roberts v. City of Boston (1849), upholding school segregation against attack as being violative of a state constitutional guarantee of equality." This constitutional doctrine began in the North-not in the South-and it was followed not only in Massachusetts but in Connecticut, New York, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania and other northern states until they, exercising their rights as states through the constitutional processes of local self-government, changed their school systems.

In the case of Plessy v. Ferguson in 1896 the Supreme Court expressly declared that under the Fourteenth Amendment no person was denied any of his rights if the states provided separate but equal public facilities. This decision has been followed in many other cases. It is notable that the Supreme Court, speaking through Chief Justice Taft, a former President of the United States, unanimously declared in 1927 in Lum v. Rice that the "separate but equal" principle is "* * * within the discretion of the state in regulating its public schools and does not conflict with the Fourteenth Amendment."

This interpretation, restated time and again, became a part of the life of the people of many of the states and confirmed their habits, customs, traditions and way of life. It is founded on elemental humanity and common sense, for parents should not be deprived by Government of the right to direct the lives and education of their own children.

Though there has been no constitutional amendment or act of Congress changing this established legal principle almost a century old, the Supreme Court of the United States, with no legal basis for such action, undertook to exercise their naked judicial power and substituted their personal political and social ideas for the established law of the land.

This unwarranted exercise of power by the court, contrary to the Constitution, is creating chaos and confusion in the states principally affected. It is destroying the amicable relations between the white and Negro races that have been created through ninety years of patient effort by the good people of both races. It has planted hatred and suspicion where there has been heretofore friendship and understanding.

Without regard to the consent of the governed, outside agitators are threatening immediate and revolutionary changes in our public school systems. If done, this is certain to destroy the system of public education in some of the states.

With the gravest concern for the explosive and dangerous condition created by this decision and inflamed by outside meddlers.

We reaffirm our reliance on the Constitution as the fundamental law of the land.

We decry the Supreme Court's encroachments on rights reserved to the states and to the people, contrary to established law and to the Constitution.

We commend the motives of those states which have declared the intention to resist forced integration by any lawful means.

We appeal to the states and people who are not directly affected by these decisions to consider the constitutional principles involved against the time when they too, on issues vital to them, may be the victims of judicial encroachment.

Even though we constitute a minority in the present congress, we have full faith that a majority of the American people believe in the dual system of government which has enabled us to achieve our greatness and will in time demand that the reserved rights of the states and of the people be made secure against judicial usurpation.

We pledge ourselves to use all lawful means to bring about a reversal of this decision which is contrary to the Constitution and to prevent the use of force in its implementation.

In this trying period, as we all seek to right this wrong, we appeal to our people not to be provoked by the agitators and troublemakers invading our states and to scrupulously refrain from disorder and lawless acts.

Signed by:

Members of the United States Senate:
(Names omitted.)
Members of the United States House of Representatives:

(Names omitted.)

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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29-06-2015, 01:33 AM
RE: Southern Christian Rhetoric
Too late and too tired to find the right thread for this, so I'll just put it here. You have to see The Crazy coming out of Pat Robertson's mouth. Apparently, this happened because the failed to follow post-bitchslap instruction, and started speaking. With a camera there! Ugh.

Pat Robertson puts his foot in it again!

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29-06-2015, 03:59 PM
RE: Southern Christian Rhetoric
Whenever people whine that marriage should be between a man and a woman, always be sure to bring up the topic of ambiguous genitalia and misjudged "corrective" surgery. They love that one.

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29-06-2015, 11:12 PM
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Got this gem, today:

(NAME OMITTED) To all the atheists who say 'it's proved by science' really? Don't you know everything is twisted in this twisted world? Don't you know illuminati wants you to believe their lies like they tell you through science? Even the news is manipulated.. They don't want you to see certain things because they know there is a higher power in heaven, God.
Those people are manipulating your mind..

Nothing in this world is like God wanted it to be. He created mankind and gave us a choice, most of the people took the wrong one..

You can still repent, shout out to the God almighty convess yours sins, live a better live and you will make it through christ.

The end of the days is near. Very near. Everything happens with a reason.

Don't ignore the signs around you. Don't think I am crazy. If you want to ignore, your choice. The wrong one again.. You will see.

God bless

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29-06-2015, 11:40 PM
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(29-06-2015 11:12 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Got this gem, today:

(NAME OMITTED) To all the atheists who say 'it's proved by science' really? Don't you know everything is twisted in this twisted world? Don't you know illuminati wants you to believe their lies like they tell you through science? Even the news is manipulated.. They don't want you to see certain things because they know there is a higher power in heaven, God.
Those people are manipulating your mind..

Nothing in this world is like God wanted it to be. He created mankind and gave us a choice, most of the people took the wrong one..

You can still repent, shout out to the God almighty convess yours sins, live a better live and you will make it through christ.

The end of the days is near. Very near. Everything happens with a reason.

Don't ignore the signs around you. Don't think I am crazy. If you want to ignore, your choice. The wrong one again.. You will see.

God bless

Well, to be honest, when my pet explanation is killed dead by facts, my go-to explanation is the Illuminati, followed closely by the Tri-Lateral Commission. You can't fault these guys for lack of effort.
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30-06-2015, 12:25 AM
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(29-06-2015 11:12 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Got this gem, today:

(NAME OMITTED) To all the atheists who say 'it's proved by science' really? Don't you know everything is twisted in this twisted world? Don't you know illuminati wants you to believe their lies like they tell you through science? Even the news is manipulated.. They don't want you to see certain things because they know there is a higher power in heaven, God.
Those people are manipulating your mind..

Nothing in this world is like God wanted it to be. He created mankind and gave us a choice, most of the people took the wrong one..

You can still repent, shout out to the God almighty convess yours sins, live a better live and you will make it through christ.

The end of the days is near. Very near. Everything happens with a reason.

Don't ignore the signs around you. Don't think I am crazy. If you want to ignore, your choice. The wrong one again.. You will see.

God bless

Everytime I see nonsense like this I wonder if person writing this really believe it or it is just trolling.

Seeing this I hope it is written for lols.

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30-06-2015, 05:29 AM
RE: Southern Christian Rhetoric
If you're against same sex marriage -- don't marry somebody with genitalia that matches yours.


How fucking hard is that to do??????


Dumb assholes.....

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30-06-2015, 06:21 AM
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(29-06-2015 11:40 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Well, to be honest, when my pet explanation is killed dead by facts, my go-to explanation is the Illuminati, followed closely by the Tri-Lateral Commission. You can't fault these guys for lack of effort.

I'm pretty sure that one result of that whole mergers and acquisitions frenzy of the 90's that the Tri-Lateral Commission is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Illuminati®. Consider

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30-06-2015, 09:20 AM
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(30-06-2015 06:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  I'm pretty sure that one result of that whole mergers and acquisitions frenzy of the 90's that the Tri-Lateral Commission is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Illuminati®. Consider

Is that a quote from So I Married an Axe Murderer?

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30-06-2015, 09:33 AM
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(30-06-2015 09:20 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(30-06-2015 06:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  I'm pretty sure that one result of that whole mergers and acquisitions frenzy of the 90's that the Tri-Lateral Commission is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Illuminati®. Consider

Is that a quote from So I Married an Axe Murderer?

Nope, pure Chas. Drinking Beverage

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