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12-04-2017, 11:13 AM
RE: Spin-off of Why I believe
(12-04-2017 10:36 AM)Vera Wrote:  Yabut we all know how much you guys like bringing "freedom and democracy" and all that enlightenend stuff to the rest of the world Dodgy
Trump/Pence 2020 Slogan: Make England our Colonies! (No need for the average voter for them to probably hold knowledge of differentiation on the terms, names, and sovereignities of England/Great Britain/Wales/Ireland/Northern Ireland/Scotland/United Kingdom.)

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And not just the States, either. But it does seem to be worst over there.
Now I have the sads. Funny aside, I heard there was an opening for a job in the UK in Philosophy that got over 400 Americans applying for it after the election.

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He's trying to fulfill the Great Commission to the best of his abilities and argue his position as he's been shown how by lackluster apologists such as Ham, Hovind, and Strobel. With a healthy side dose of believing (or at least he seems to) there is no morality apart from God, hence his attempts to try and ask about killing people; it's part of his belief structure where he thinks he can automatically go "Checkmate atheists" and you all aren't cooperating. Tongue

Quote:As for abortion, what really incenses me, is religious people's arrogance in thinking they have the right to impose *their* morality (or what passes for it, no offence) on others. During that infamous conversation with a bunch of very rich and rather homophobic Brazilian guys, I was told by one of them (was told the same by another, much much younger - religious - girl, as well), that he does not approve of abortion. Then don't have one Dodgy (he also doesn't approve of euthanasia and wouldn't even put his dog out of its misery, 'cause skydaddy might have another plan or something. He also thought euthanasia was the state killing people willy-nilly. What a willy, in-freaking-deed) And *we* are the ones oppressing *them* and denying *them* rights Dodgy
None taken on the offense. I'll admit (and have before) that my morality is more shaped by upbringing and secular culture than it necessarily is the Bible itself, though the Church also plays a role in the molding of that morality. It's been pretty well demonstrated in this thread why the Sola Scriptura position when combined with morality could be described as 'problematic' at best.

On abortion, I'm not a fan of it as a practice in a few certain cases, it personally squicks me, but understand the necessity; women don't just have kids for the thrill of aborting them, no matter what some "pro life" activists might try to say. In the end though, it's not my body, so who gives a shit what I may feel? It's the woman's choice. Things like the Catholic hospital that told a woman 'no' to abortion when the child would be delivered stillborn or live a few hours in intense pain and the delivery could kill the mother? That's extremely horrifying to think someone would deny that woman a chance to A. See to it she doesn't bring life into the world solely to experience pain and die. and B. May die herself in the process.

On those two Brazilians...wtf. Just wtf. The state doesn't kill people nilly willy with euthanasia, despite what (up here) was being advertised with "If Obamacare passes, there will be death panels". And not letting a dog die with dignity either is just...horrifying is again the proper word. My cousin recently had to put down her shih tzu; it's lungs were filling with fluid, it had arthritis in its spine, cataracts so badly it couldn't see, etc. They kept finding it unmoving in the snow. I'm heartbroken they had to euthanize him, but understand fully why. I can't even grasp "God has a plan for this dog, so I can't do that, I have to make my puppy see the value of redemptive suffering."

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12-04-2017, 11:23 AM
RE: Spin-off of Why I believe
(12-04-2017 09:13 AM)ResidentEvilFan Wrote:  OMG....people still use Pascal's Wager?

Pascal don't. Cashed out a while ago. Smile

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12-04-2017, 11:25 AM (This post was last modified: 12-04-2017 11:30 AM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Spin-off of Why I believe
(12-04-2017 09:14 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  I read the infamous My Little Pony fanfiction "Cupcakes" involving torture porn and cannibalism and sewing cloaks of pony flesh, so...yeah...that was on a dare, I should say.

Sure it was. Whatever you say. Assign it to your students or you're a pussy.

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12-04-2017, 11:38 AM
RE: Spin-off of Why I believe
(12-04-2017 11:25 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 09:14 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  I read the infamous My Little Pony fanfiction "Cupcakes" involving torture porn and cannibalism and sewing cloaks of pony flesh, so...yeah...that was on a dare, I should say.

Sure it was. Whatever you say. Assign it to your students or you're a pussy.

I think I'll be a pussy with a job, rather than a brave man without employment. Tongue

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12-04-2017, 12:01 PM
RE: Spin-off of Why I believe
(12-04-2017 11:38 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 11:25 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Sure it was. Whatever you say. Assign it to your students or you're a pussy.

I think I'll be a pussy with a job, rather than a brave man without employment. Tongue

Get tenure first and then do it. Tongue

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12-04-2017, 12:12 PM
RE: Spin-off of Why I believe
(12-04-2017 10:36 AM)Vera Wrote:  And *we* are the ones oppressing *them* and denying *them* rights Dodgy

ATT has confirmed several things during his stay here:
  • Atheists don't fight fair! // tn: We don't roll over and play dead when he trots out some addle-pated drivel.
  • Atheists are aggressive and evil. // we INSULT him and laugh at his stupid God. We will definitely burn in hell. He probably masturbates to the thought.
  • They are deluded by Satan and don't recognise that they are applying a double standard to their beliefs. // cognitive dissonance - his only answer to stuff that he can't answer is to cover his ears, sing loudly and "trust in the Lord".
  • They really DO want to kill babies.

Anyway ATT, for all your pretense of being a reasonable guy I think we've blown that particular conceit of yours up Smile Of course you won't learn from this and go your way a sadder, wiser man, but it was entertaining Thumbsup

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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12-04-2017, 12:25 PM
RE: Spin-off of Why I believe
(10-04-2017 07:48 PM)A_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  This thread is started per the request of SeaJay and others and as yet there were several posts presented there which time did not allow a response, please copy and paste any post from there that anyone would wish to continue. I will respond to those as time permits. I acknowledge the suggestions posted toward the end of the original post and thank everyone for their patience with the newbie

PS: Paleophyte,, chocolate is always a favorite in its many forms but when it comes to milkshakes a butterscotch malt tops the list, briefs here over boxers and 39 light years from here makes my head hurt to comprehend such a distance. Our universe is grand indeed isn't it

Do you have a thread where you explain your reasons for being a theist? If not, could you explain a bit?

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12-04-2017, 12:34 PM
RE: Spin-off of Why I believe
A_Thinking_Theist wrote:

The point here being made is this; if I believe that Christianity is absolutely true and you believe atheism is absolutely true then we can both be wrong but only one of us can be right. Can either side provide definitive proof that God does or does not exist. No. So again both can be wrong and only one right yet there is no definitive proof.

> Wrong!

> The Christian God is defined by mainstream Christianity as being all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful, and all just. Yet even a cursory reading of the bible reveals a God who is cruel, unjust, tyrannical, unloving and eternally vengeful. Ergo, the Christian God does not exist by reason of self-contradiction.

> An all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing God, by definition, cannot create evil or permit evil to exist in the world. And yet, evil exists. Ergo, God, as he is defined, does not exist on the grounds of self-contradiction.

> The law of conservation of matter and energy states that the total quantity of energy in the universe remains the same. Matter and energy are interchangeable, but neither can be created or destroyed. Ergo, the universe has always existed and will always exist in one form or another. God is unnecessary by the Principle of Parsimony.

> The natural histories of religions are well-documented. The behavioral causes of religions are well-known. There is no evidence that religions are the products of anything other than human ingenuity and imagination. Ergo, atheism is rational and skeptically unassailable.

> I do not believe that God does not exist. I know that God does not exist.
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12-04-2017, 12:38 PM
RE: Spin-off of Why I believe
(12-04-2017 12:34 PM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  A_Thinking_Theist wrote:

The point here being made is this; if I believe that Christianity is absolutely true and you believe atheism is absolutely true then we can both be wrong but only one of us can be right. Can either side provide definitive proof that God does or does not exist. No. So again both can be wrong and only one right yet there is no definitive proof.

> Wrong!

Two-valued logics are so 19th century.

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12-04-2017, 12:44 PM
RE: Spin-off of Why I believe
(12-04-2017 12:38 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 12:34 PM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  A_Thinking_Theist wrote:

The point here being made is this; if I believe that Christianity is absolutely true and you believe atheism is absolutely true then we can both be wrong but only one of us can be right. Can either side provide definitive proof that God does or does not exist. No. So again both can be wrong and only one right yet there is no definitive proof.

> Wrong!

Two-valued logics are so 19th century.

> The difference between me and most theists, however, is that I'm willing to entertain the idea that I might be wrong and I'm also willing to change my views in the light of new evidence. I've yet to meet a theist willing to do the same. Consider
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