Spirituality may not be what you think it is
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26-01-2016, 11:58 AM
RE: Spirituality may not be what you think it is
Spirituality is a useless word. It means nothing in particular and is usually used to encompass baseless magical claims about humans either being special or finding a special connection with nature or the supernatural world. Any non-magical use of the word can be replaced with a better word that communicates the intended meaning without as much ambiguity.

I prefer fantasy, but I have to live in reality.
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26-01-2016, 01:19 PM
RE: Spirituality may not be what you think it is
Spirit means 'breath'. Y'know, hot air.

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26-01-2016, 01:53 PM
RE: Spirituality may not be what you think it is
I think it's too bad that this word was, like you suggest, co-opted and rendered useless. It's like the word "belief," if you ask me. What many think of as belief is really just indoctrination. You can't hand a child a book and say "this is what you believe now." That's not actual belief, yet they use the same word.

To me, religion is to spirituality what pornography is to sexuality. Not to put too fine a point on it.
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26-01-2016, 05:30 PM
RE: Spirituality may not be what you think it is
(26-01-2016 11:09 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Gravity has it's place.
It keeps us and our stuff on the planet.
It keeps our planet in orbit of the sun.
It makes the tides go in, and out.
Past that - it has less to do with your day than a popcorn fart...............

At a mechanical level, indeed.
Yet it is very cool to grasp that the force doing those things affects the entire universe, the furthest things affecting the furthest things, from the largest things to the tiniest things.

In other words, the 'spiritual' metaphor of connectedness has a root in reality.

So much of what you find in religion is metaphor for reality. It makes sense IMO, given the prevalence of religion in the world, to find those connections.
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26-01-2016, 05:48 PM
RE: Spirituality may not be what you think it is
(26-01-2016 05:30 PM)coyote Wrote:  Yet it is very cool to grasp that the force doing those things affects the entire universe, the furthest things affecting the furthest things, from the largest things to the tiniest things.

The effects at cosmic distances are tiny; that's a pretty tenuous connection.
Gravity is the weakest of the four forces.

Quote:In other words, the 'spiritual' metaphor of connectedness has a root in reality.

So much of what you find in religion is metaphor for reality. It makes sense IMO, given the prevalence of religion in the world, to find those connections.

To what purpose? To what end? Consider

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26-01-2016, 07:04 PM
RE: Spirituality may not be what you think it is
(26-01-2016 05:48 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-01-2016 05:30 PM)coyote Wrote:  Yet it is very cool to grasp that the force doing those things affects the entire universe, the furthest things affecting the furthest things, from the largest things to the tiniest things.

The effects at cosmic distances are tiny; that's a pretty tenuous connection.
Gravity is the weakest of the four forces.

Quote:In other words, the 'spiritual' metaphor of connectedness has a root in reality.

So much of what you find in religion is metaphor for reality. It makes sense IMO, given the prevalence of religion in the world, to find those connections.

To what purpose? To what end? Consider

Gravity is the most noticeable of the forces at macro levels.

To what end? Personal curiousity for one. Though I might not believe in a deity, 7 billion of my fellow humans do believe. To relate to them, it helps me to have at least some grasp of their mindset. And it helps us grasp the history of our species. If we conceive the bible was written as metaphor rather than as a bunch of hallucinated 'realities', we get a MUCH more sensible take on the ancient world.

As for the metaphors themselves: going back to the interconnectedness thing, perhaps it is/was a way to get people who would otherwise be shortsighted to take a less short term and selfish path through life.

I don't have THE answer to your inquiry, and I get a strange feeling that whatever responses I provide here will not resonate with you in any fashion whatsoever. But there you go... run with it in whatever direction you choose.
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26-01-2016, 07:28 PM
RE: Spirituality may not be what you think it is
(26-01-2016 07:04 PM)coyote Wrote:  
(26-01-2016 05:48 PM)Chas Wrote:  The effects at cosmic distances are tiny; that's a pretty tenuous connection.
Gravity is the weakest of the four forces.


To what purpose? To what end? Consider

Gravity is the most noticeable of the forces at macro levels.

To what end? Personal curiousity for one. Though I might not believe in a deity, 7 billion of my fellow humans do believe. To relate to them, it helps me to have at least some grasp of their mindset. And it helps us grasp the history of our species. If we conceive the bible was written as metaphor rather than as a bunch of hallucinated 'realities', we get a MUCH more sensible take on the ancient world.

As for the metaphors themselves: going back to the interconnectedness thing, perhaps it is/was a way to get people who would otherwise be shortsighted to take a less short term and selfish path through life.

I don't have THE answer to your inquiry, and I get a strange feeling that whatever responses I provide here will not resonate with you in any fashion whatsoever. But there you go... run with it in whatever direction you choose.

Thanks, your response makes quite a bit of sense. Carry on.

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