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04-12-2016, 02:10 PM
RE: Square circles
There is no answer to this bullshit, as there is not even a problem in the first place.
It's a false dilemma, based on a linguistic fantom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

For theists, it is also not something that requires an answer.
Their gods made circles and squares intentionally to be different. The end.
Raising the question equivocates "omnipotence". The idea is not worth an argument. It's dismissed. Period.

There are however, much larger REAL questions in this vein that ARE worth discussion, and they imply that the gods somehow "found themselves" embedded in Reality, and subject to it. This juvenile bullshit is, however, not one of those instances.

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04-12-2016, 05:56 PM
RE: Square circles
(04-12-2016 08:47 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  GOD, though all knowing and all powerful, is limited by finite human logic. Basically the argument is that GOD cannot do some things. And while I understand this in some way, the example they generally use to express this false law is that none....not even GOD can make a square circle. My stance is that one cannot percieve the possibility bases within their own finite perspective alone.

Theoretically, a deity might not be bound by logic. However, any entity with that attribute suffers logical explosion, devolving into a stew of contradiction. Any further discussion is pointless as it is impossible to determine so much as the existence of such an entity, much less conjur up any meaningful description of it.

Put simply, you can't use logic to demonstrate the existence of something that exists outside of logic.

Quote:Anyway. Saying that one can't make a square circle or whatever is simply a matter or dimensions. In a two dimensional plane a square is a square, but by adding a dimension a square can logically be a circle. It's called a cylinder. A triangle can be a square; it's called a pyramid. So basically my stance is that within a lesser or more closed perspective one may understand a circle to be a circle with no other capacity, but at a higher or more broad perspective even a young child can grasp that a three dimensional object (such as a cylinder) is truly both a circle and a square or rectangle.

No. Squares and circles are defined as two-dimensional geometrical figures. If you add a third dimension they are no longer squares or circles. As you demonstrate above.

It would be more accurate to state that a cylinder may have a square cross-section or a circular one depending on the perspective. It might also have an elliptical or rectangular one.

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04-12-2016, 06:04 PM
RE: Square circles
(04-12-2016 11:36 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(04-12-2016 08:47 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  In a two dimensional plane a square is a square, but by adding a dimension a square can logically be a circle. It's called a cylinder.

A cylinder is not a square extended into a third dimension. Extending a circle gets you a cylinder. Extending a square gets you a brick.

Quote:A triangle can be a square; it's called a pyramid.

No, four triangles can be arranged such that a square is formed but that doesn't make a triangle into a square.

If you are trying to say that your god is not limited by logic because it can operate in additional dimensions then that is a vacuous claim. You would first have to show that those additional dimensions exist. Piling one fantasy on top of another is not a path to truth.
A cylinder on one plane is a square, on another a circle.

A pyramid is a square on one plane, a triangle on another.

I'm just saying that people shouldn't limit what they consider possible based on finite understanding.

The conversation isnt for use with atheists so what is your problem?
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04-12-2016, 06:09 PM
RE: Square circles
(04-12-2016 06:04 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  The conversation isnt for use with atheists so what is your problem?

Wondering why you posted it to this forum.

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04-12-2016, 06:23 PM
RE: Square circles
(04-12-2016 06:09 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  
(04-12-2016 06:04 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  The conversation isnt for use with atheists so what is your problem?

Wondering why you posted it to this forum.
As I said in the op, most here are critical and that's what I'm looking for. But criticism in ones belief in GOD isn't the issue or shouldn't be in this thread.

People here pride themselves on being free thinkers and logicians.

That's why I brought it up here.

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04-12-2016, 06:34 PM
RE: Square circles
(04-12-2016 06:23 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  But criticism in ones belief in GOD isn't the issue or shouldn't be in this thread.

You are using this "argument" to explain attributes of the god you believe exists. That is core to the question. You are attempting to say that there could be a logical explanation for how your god defies logic and Paleophyte nailed it: "Put simply, you can't use logic to demonstrate the existence of something that exists outside of logic".

All you have here is a rephrasing of the old "god exists outside space and time" crap that means nothing until you can show that such a thing is possible.

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