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16-08-2016, 05:38 PM
RE: Stagnation in growth of non-religious :(
(15-08-2016 01:26 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(15-08-2016 12:54 PM)Fireball Wrote:  The Spanish version should be titled "TETAS". Yes I'm seeing more Hispanics coming out as atheist, too. Only a smattering, but once the flood gate erodes a little...

I support your choice of name!

@DLJ - I don’t think that could happen, it’ll just become a smaller percentage. As for the Hispanic Christian community that’s a different matter. Those of us raised in the States are more prone to become unafilliated or even atheist however those immigrating are still very religious. I can provide headless chickens as evidence if you like, just send me your address. Angel

The problem is that Tetas means tits in Spain. Laugh out load Spanish speakers will think is a porn site. I posted the Spanish translated equivalent name above.

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16-08-2016, 06:38 PM
RE: Stagnation in growth of non-religious :(
(16-08-2016 01:59 PM)Leo Wrote:  
(15-08-2016 12:54 PM)Fireball Wrote:  The Spanish version should be titled "TETAS". Yes I'm seeing more Hispanics coming out as atheist, too. Only a smattering, but once the flood gate erodes a little...

I like tits " tetas" but the Spanish version of the site would be EPA . El pensador ateo = The thinking atheist.Thumbsup

Oh, I know that, but I just couldn't resist!Big Grin
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17-08-2016, 05:27 PM
RE: Stagnation in growth of non-religious :(
To call a 50% of an increasing population, stagnation, is simply biased reporting.

Population 10,000,000 50% 5,000,000
Population 12,000,000 50% 6,000,000

An increase of a 1,000,000 people could be called stagnation because the %'s didn't change.

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18-08-2016, 04:08 AM
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(08-08-2016 07:53 AM)SunnyD1 Wrote:  I read in the Metro newspaper this morning but can't find it on their website now that the number of those who consider themselves of "no religion" has stagnated Sad

It cited the increase in Britain from 1983-2000ish (I think.. trying to remember all the numbers from memory) from around 30 percent to 51% of British population as putting themselves down as having no religion.

between 2009-2016 though there has been no change in that percentage and they think it is being masked by a growth in non-Anglican religions.

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18-08-2016, 04:31 AM
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(18-08-2016 04:08 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  ...
Non religious people have a much lower fertility rate than religious people. Non religion is a biological dead end.

Speak for yourself!

My fertility rate is 200%.

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18-08-2016, 04:52 AM
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(18-08-2016 04:08 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 07:53 AM)SunnyD1 Wrote:  I read in the Metro newspaper this morning but can't find it on their website now that the number of those who consider themselves of "no religion" has stagnated Sad

It cited the increase in Britain from 1983-2000ish (I think.. trying to remember all the numbers from memory) from around 30 percent to 51% of British population as putting themselves down as having no religion.

between 2009-2016 though there has been no change in that percentage and they think it is being masked by a growth in non-Anglican religions.

DAGNABIT!

Non religious people have a much lower fertility rate than religious people. Non religion is a biological dead end.

Well educated, economically successful people have a much lower fertility rate......as people become better educated and more prosperous birth rates drop. Well educated, economically successful people also also tend to be non-religious. Does that mean that we're going to run out of clever, rich people?

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18-08-2016, 06:27 AM (This post was last modified: 18-08-2016 06:42 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: Stagnation in growth of non-religious :(
(18-08-2016 04:52 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  
(18-08-2016 04:08 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Non religious people have a much lower fertility rate than religious people. Non religion is a biological dead end.

Well educated, economically successful people have a much lower fertility rate......as people become better educated and more prosperous birth rates drop. Well educated, economically successful people also also tend to be non-religious. Does that mean that we're going to run out of clever, rich people?

There seems to be tendency to conflate the nones with atheists, when in reality the nones tend to have traded organized religious beliefs, for unorganized religious belief, vague set of woo beliefs of their own. Like the Scandinavian countries, where half the population believes in God, and the other half believes in a "life force", the sort of fluff you find in the Avatar movie.

It doesn't correspond to much of a shift from ridiculous to less ridiculous beliefs, at best it's a transition from one set of ridiculous beliefs, to a set of equally but more benign ridiculous beliefs.

In fact the nones who don't consider themselves atheists or agnostics, that make up the bulk of the non-religious population, have education levels on par with the religious. So attributing the the rise of nones to economical success, and educational achievement is more a popular myth among atheists, than reality.

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18-08-2016, 08:40 AM
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(18-08-2016 06:27 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(18-08-2016 04:52 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  Well educated, economically successful people have a much lower fertility rate......as people become better educated and more prosperous birth rates drop. Well educated, economically successful people also also tend to be non-religious. Does that mean that we're going to run out of clever, rich people?

There seems to be tendency to conflate the nones with atheists, when in reality the nones tend to have traded organized religious beliefs, for unorganized religious belief, vague set of woo beliefs of their own. Like the Scandinavian countries, where half the population believes in God, and the other half believes in a "life force", the sort of fluff you find in the Avatar movie.

It doesn't correspond to much of a shift from ridiculous to less ridiculous beliefs, at best it's a transition from one set of ridiculous beliefs, to a set of equally but more benign ridiculous beliefs.

In fact the nones who don't consider themselves atheists or agnostics, that make up the bulk of the non-religious population, have education levels on par with the religious. So attributing the the rise of nones to economical success, and educational achievement is more a popular myth among atheists, than reality.
But is life force a deity?

Idk why you seem to conflate these questions and concepts as something more as if the idea being ask is do you deny any supernatural beings existence or do you confirm to only a non inherent meaning reality. They may be more like you in belief than the "typical" expressed atheist/agnostic but that's not what the interest & topics at hand are really examining.

Just because tons of Icelanders believe in elves, non deity styled Buddhists believe in collective consciousness forces, or even "spiritualist" people believing on cosmic orders and a purposeful universe don't mean they're less a none than atheists.

It's not like people's goal in questioning is for everyone to think one way

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18-08-2016, 09:02 AM (This post was last modified: 18-08-2016 09:08 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: Stagnation in growth of non-religious :(
(18-08-2016 08:40 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(18-08-2016 06:27 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  There seems to be tendency to conflate the nones with atheists, when in reality the nones tend to have traded organized religious beliefs, for unorganized religious belief, vague set of woo beliefs of their own. Like the Scandinavian countries, where half the population believes in God, and the other half believes in a "life force", the sort of fluff you find in the Avatar movie.

It doesn't correspond to much of a shift from ridiculous to less ridiculous beliefs, at best it's a transition from one set of ridiculous beliefs, to a set of equally but more benign ridiculous beliefs.

In fact the nones who don't consider themselves atheists or agnostics, that make up the bulk of the non-religious population, have education levels on par with the religious. So attributing the the rise of nones to economical success, and educational achievement is more a popular myth among atheists, than reality.
But is life force a deity?

Idk why you seem to conflate these questions and concepts as something more as if the idea being ask is do you deny any supernatural beings existence or do you confirm to only a non inherent meaning reality. They may be more like you in belief than the "typical" expressed atheist/agnostic but that's not what the interest & topics at hand are really examining.

Just because tons of Icelanders believe in elves, non deity styled Buddhists believe in collective consciousness forces, or even "spiritualist" people believing on cosmic orders and a purposeful universe don't mean they're less a none than atheists.

It's not like people's goal in questioning is for everyone to think one way

For me it would constitute as a belief in some vague sort of God, or God like concept, but that's not particularly relevant.

What my point was that shift from organized religious beliefs, to unorganized religious beliefs, woo beliefs, is not progress on the critical thinking, education front. It's just trading in one set of ridiculous beliefs, for another set of ridiculous beliefs, that at best are just more benign in form.

It's a bursting of the bubble for those who sees such a trends a progress in critical, skeptical thinking, or as the result of better education and etc.. All such narratives are debunked by a closer look at these trends and the evidence here.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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18-08-2016, 09:09 AM
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(18-08-2016 09:02 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(18-08-2016 08:40 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  But is life force a deity?

Idk why you seem to conflate these questions and concepts as something more as if the idea being ask is do you deny any supernatural beings existence or do you confirm to only a non inherent meaning reality. They may be more like you in belief than the "typical" expressed atheist/agnostic but that's not what the interest & topics at hand are really examining.

Just because tons of Icelanders believe in elves, non deity styled Buddhists believe in collective consciousness forces, or even "spiritualist" people believing on cosmic orders and a purposeful universe don't mean they're less a none than atheists.

It's not like people's goal in questioning is for everyone to think one way

For me it would constitute as a belief in some vague sort of God, or God like concept, but that's not particularly relevant.

What my point was that shift from organized religious beliefs, to unorganized religious beliefs, woo beliefs, is not progress on the critical thinking, education front. It's just trading in one set of ridiculous beliefs, for another set of ridiculous beliefs, that at best are just more benign in form.

It's a bursting of the bubble for those who sees such a trends a progress in critical, skeptical thinking, or as the result of better education and etc.. All such narratives are debunked by a closer look at these trends and the evidence here.

I know there's plenty of nones that are still general Christians or of other religions, like that rapping I love Jesus but hate religion types.

Though equating concepts of God like concepts in a lessened to portion to gods is just as bad a conflating the argument in the way to support a collective as larger than it is.

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