Poll: Do you agree with the Stand Your Ground Laws
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18-07-2013, 09:14 PM
RE: Stand your ground laws
(18-07-2013 09:09 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  I don't know enough about the laws to make a desicion. I was hoping that the OP would give some clarification and explanation, but instead I only found appeals to emotion. I don't feel like drudging through 10 pages, can someone break these laws down for me as unbiasedly as possible?

I fail to see how it was an appeal to emotion when it did nothing but compare facts for two separate cases.

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18-07-2013, 09:21 PM
RE: Stand your ground laws
Care re-reading it? Look I don't care what your opinion is, I just want someone to explain the laws so I understand them, a unbiasedly as possible.

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18-07-2013, 09:29 PM
RE: Stand your ground laws
(18-07-2013 09:21 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Care re-reading it? Look I don't care what your opinion is, I just want someone to explain the laws so I understand them, a unbiasedly as possible.

I have re-read it five times, douche bag. It's clearly summed up in this:




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18-07-2013, 11:04 PM
RE: Stand your ground laws
Thanks for your UNBIASED breakdown.

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19-07-2013, 04:12 AM
RE: Stand your ground laws
(18-07-2013 11:04 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Thanks for your UNBIASED breakdown.

Excuse me, but it was unbiased. The video clearly said that it enables a person to preemptively shoot a person if they feel threatened. You can't get a more unbiased breakdown than that. I don't expect you to pay attention though. I mean, it is not as though the law has been broken down multiple times on this thread.

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19-07-2013, 05:36 AM
RE: Stand your ground laws
(18-07-2013 05:55 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(18-07-2013 04:43 PM)Chas Wrote:  I am not. I have full information on me.

You have no idea how you will react if this event even occurs. The chances are, however, that you will not have the time to react.

Yes, actually I do have some idea, based on other sudden, dangerous events where I reacted calmly and rationally combined with training and forethought.

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19-07-2013, 05:37 AM
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(18-07-2013 02:32 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(18-07-2013 02:31 PM)Chas Wrote:  We're not talking mob hit or assassination. In that case, I'm dead before I heard the shot. Weeping

We're talking about lowlife assholes who prey on others. They pick targets of opportunity, and they lack impulse control and empathy.

I am a 5'4" 140 lb. (162.5cm 64kg), slightly handicapped, 63 year-old man, though I'm quite fit.

I live in a semi-rural setting, not visible to neighbors. There are occasionally break-ins in the area.

I often walk the rural roads, in the woods, and in the wetlands with camera gear.
Or I am out in the middle of the night with a telescope.

I drive a nice car, usually carrying said camera gear or telescope.

So, all in all, I'm a potential target. I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it because I'm prepared to defend myself.

Yes, you are a target for theft, not for a gunfight, Chas.

Criminals in the U.S. tend to be violent. I am prepared to defend myself.

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19-07-2013, 05:39 AM
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(19-07-2013 05:37 AM)Chas Wrote:  Criminals in the U.S. tend to be violent. I am prepared to defend myself.

What they don't tell you is that the majority of the violence is criminal-on-criminal.

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19-07-2013, 05:40 AM
RE: Stand your ground laws
(19-07-2013 05:36 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-07-2013 05:55 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  You have no idea how you will react if this event even occurs. The chances are, however, that you will not have the time to react.

Yes, actually I do have some idea, based on other sudden, dangerous events where I reacted calmly and rationally combined with training and forethought.

So you have returned fire while under fire?

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19-07-2013, 05:41 AM
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(19-07-2013 05:39 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(19-07-2013 05:37 AM)Chas Wrote:  Criminals in the U.S. tend to be violent. I am prepared to defend myself.

What they don't tell you is that the majority of the violence is criminal-on-criminal.

Red herring.

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