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25-11-2015, 10:09 AM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 09:36 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 09:22 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  But hell, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and add in percent of population in rural vs urban for each state too. Working on that now.

Not sure what that matters. The only thing that matters is looking at each city individually and seeing how they vote. The top 25 most violent cities (as of 2012) are

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-25-mo...rouge-la-1

Baton Rouge
Orlando
Springfield
Indianapolis
Washington, D.C.
Newark
Nashville
Philadelphia
Miami
Kansas City
Buffalo
Hartford
New Haven
Cleveland
Rockford
Stockton
Baltimore
Atlanta
Birmingham
Little Rock, Ark
Memphis
Oakland
St. Louis
Detroit
Flint

All of these cities, as of 2012, (except Springfield, IL) have a Democrat for a mayor, or majority Democrat city council, or both. They also have mostly elected Democrats to these positions over the last 25 years. The urban and rural cities outside of the major cities tend to have less crime and vote republican. These are just facts. High crime big cities are democrat controlled.

When I was looking to move to a new area, I didn't look at the stats for a state, I looked at the city I was planning to move. A big city 500 miles away with bad crime could make the entire state look dangerous when in fact the rural city I was looking at was very low crime.

For instance, if these cities are skewing the data towards elevating crime rates in the states in which they exist, then Connecticut, Maryland, New York, and California should all plot more closely associated with Texas and Florida and Tennessee. But they don't.

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25-11-2015, 10:12 AM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 09:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 09:51 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I'll reduce the data down a bit and remove some of the economic factors and the education factors and see what shakes loose too

How about a pure cities plot - leave states' stats out of it? Consider

I don't have data for these factors by city.

What would this show? We know urban areas have elevated crime rates no matter where in the world you are.

That is why I added in the 4 population categories into each state too. Rural percentage vs urban percentage (of total population in each state) should capture any influence of urbanization on the factors.

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25-11-2015, 10:15 AM (This post was last modified: 25-11-2015 10:21 AM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 10:07 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 10:01 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  I can agree that religious people can have lower levels of education. Maybe even higher suicide rates. But if you want me to believe that red states are more violent because they are red, I can't even grasp it. If you go over to neighborhoodscout.com and put in a city to get crime rates, you'll see that democrat controlled cities have a higher rate of crime than the rest of the state as a whole. That's all I'm saying. I've been all over America, lived in a ton of states. The high violence, high crime cities are mostly democrat controlled. Take New York City for example. 6.53 violent crimes per 1,000 people. The state as a whole has 3.94 violent crimes per 1,000 people. Or Miami, 11.9 violent crimes per 1,000 people, but the rest of the state averages 4.7 violent crimes per 1,000 people.

If you want anyone to believe that democrat-controlled cities are more violent because they are controlled by democrats, you'll need a better argument because facts don't support your assertions

All cities and highly urbanized areas around the world have elevated crime rates compared to rural areas, but the US actually has abnormally elevated crime rates in rural areas. And as it turns out, urban areas tend to lean to the left and rural areas to the right. So trying to distill this down into some sort of argument over "cities skew the statistics" is complete bullshit. Especially when that trend isn't supported by the stats and instead, the opposite trend as one would expect appears true.

Red states tend to be more rural and SHOULD have lower crime rates because they are more rural. But they DON'T. The blue states with large urban populations SHOULD have elevated crime rates compared to rural states, but (compared to the red southern states) they DON'T.

Facts will really fuck up faith


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I gave you the top 25 most violent CITIES in America. 24 of them were currently ran by democrats. All of them have a history of democrat control. These small rural cities controlled by republicans don't even make the list. They use crimes stats per 1000 people, so it's balanced.

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25-11-2015, 10:22 AM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 10:15 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 10:07 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  If you want anyone to believe that democrat-controlled cities are more violent because they are controlled by democrats, you'll need a better argument because facts don't support your assertions

All cities and highly urbanized areas around the world have elevated crime rates compared to rural areas, but the US actually has abnormally elevated crime rates in rural areas. And as it turns out, urban areas tend to lean to the left and rural areas to the right. So trying to distill this down into some sort of argument over "cities skew the statistics" is complete bullshit. Especially when that trend isn't supported by the stats and instead, the opposite trend as one would expect appears true.

Red states tend to be more rural and SHOULD have lower crime rates because they are more rural. But they DON'T. The blue states with large urban populations SHOULD have elevated crime rates compared to rural states, but (compared to the red southern states) they DON'T.

Facts will really fuck up faith


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I gave you the top 25 most violent CITIES in America. 24 of them were currently ran by democrats. All of them have a history of democrat control. These small rural cities controlled by republicans don't even make the list. They use crimes stats per 1000 people, so it's balanced.

Cherry picking your data while ignoring everything else, is something I expect out of YEC's. Drinking Beverage

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25-11-2015, 10:24 AM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 09:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  leave states' stats out of it? Consider

Say that 3 times fast. Weeping

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25-11-2015, 10:26 AM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 10:15 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 10:07 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  If you want anyone to believe that democrat-controlled cities are more violent because they are controlled by democrats, you'll need a better argument because facts don't support your assertions

All cities and highly urbanized areas around the world have elevated crime rates compared to rural areas, but the US actually has abnormally elevated crime rates in rural areas. And as it turns out, urban areas tend to lean to the left and rural areas to the right. So trying to distill this down into some sort of argument over "cities skew the statistics" is complete bullshit. Especially when that trend isn't supported by the stats and instead, the opposite trend as one would expect appears true.

Red states tend to be more rural and SHOULD have lower crime rates because they are more rural. But they DON'T. The blue states with large urban populations SHOULD have elevated crime rates compared to rural states, but (compared to the red southern states) they DON'T.

Facts will really fuck up faith


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I gave you the top 25 most violent CITIES in America. 24 of them were currently ran by democrats. All of them have a history of democrat control. These small rural cities controlled by republicans don't even make the list. They use crimes stats per 1000 people, so it's balanced.

And as I already pointed out to you, if what you are saying is true, it should be evident in the PCA's. And it isn't.

Why? Because in the US, the expected trend of elevated crime and violence in cities isn't as exacerbated as one might hypothesize given the global norm. Instead, elevated crime and violence rates plot more strongly with the southern states (less urban, more religious, and more conservative).

That should be curious. That should make you ask "what is it about those regions that make them abnormally shitty?"

But instead, it makes you go "NU UH!!!! Democrat-controlled cities are worse and the big cities are skewing the statistics, thus making it look worse for places like Texas!!!!" (even though those same urban influences don't skew the statistics in the case of the blue states)"

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25-11-2015, 10:27 AM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 10:15 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 10:07 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  If you want anyone to believe that democrat-controlled cities are more violent because they are controlled by democrats, you'll need a better argument because facts don't support your assertions

All cities and highly urbanized areas around the world have elevated crime rates compared to rural areas, but the US actually has abnormally elevated crime rates in rural areas. And as it turns out, urban areas tend to lean to the left and rural areas to the right. So trying to distill this down into some sort of argument over "cities skew the statistics" is complete bullshit. Especially when that trend isn't supported by the stats and instead, the opposite trend as one would expect appears true.

Red states tend to be more rural and SHOULD have lower crime rates because they are more rural. But they DON'T. The blue states with large urban populations SHOULD have elevated crime rates compared to rural states, but (compared to the red southern states) they DON'T.

Facts will really fuck up faith


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I gave you the top 25 most violent CITIES in America. 24 of them were currently ran by democrats. All of them have a history of democrat control. These small rural cities controlled by republicans don't even make the list. They use crimes stats per 1000 people, so it's balanced.

I don't normally say this, but I have completely blown your bullshit out of the water Big Grin

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25-11-2015, 10:29 AM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 10:27 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 10:15 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Laugh out load

I gave you the top 25 most violent CITIES in America. 24 of them were currently ran by democrats. All of them have a history of democrat control. These small rural cities controlled by republicans don't even make the list. They use crimes stats per 1000 people, so it's balanced.

I don't normally say this, but I have completely blown your bullshit out of the water Big Grin

Meh. Given the quality of his bullshit, that's not the accomplishment you wish it was. Tongue

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25-11-2015, 10:29 AM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 10:22 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 10:15 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Laugh out load

I gave you the top 25 most violent CITIES in America. 24 of them were currently ran by democrats. All of them have a history of democrat control. These small rural cities controlled by republicans don't even make the list. They use crimes stats per 1000 people, so it's balanced.

Cherry picking your data while ignoring everything else, is something I expect out of YEC's. Drinking Beverage

Facts should fuck up faith, but your faith seems immovable

Should I do the top 100 most dangerous cities? The top 25 wasn't enough? It's not cherry picking. It's fact. The most dangerous cities in America are blue cities with blue voters.

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25-11-2015, 10:31 AM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 10:29 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 10:22 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Cherry picking your data while ignoring everything else, is something I expect out of YEC's. Drinking Beverage

Facts should fuck up faith, but your faith seems immovable

Should I do the top 100 most dangerous cities? The top 25 wasn't enough? It's not cherry picking. It's fact. The most dangerous cities in America are blue cities with blue voters.

Uh oh, someone is getting flustered because they don't understand why what they are saying is stupid

Cities SHOULD have elevated crime rates (that is the norm) no matter where you are in the world.

The question you should be asking yourself, is "Why, given that expectation, are the less urban states, more shitty? What do they have in common? What do the states with relatively lower crime rates have in common?"

But you won't ask yourself those questions, because you won't like the answers.

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