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25-11-2015, 12:41 PM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 11:56 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  It's also worth pointing out another failing of your "argument."

If "demographics" are a primary reason for elevated crime rates, are you suggesting that the states with the highest crime rates are also those with the largest minority populations?

If so, you've another deficit in your knowledge of reality.

No, not states, but cities for sure. But maybe states too. I haven't looked at the data for years. But I'm sure that would be the case. I'll have to look into it. But I'm kind of busy today preparing for dinner tomorrow.

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25-11-2015, 12:43 PM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 10:12 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 09:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  How about a pure cities plot - leave states' stats out of it? Consider

I don't have data for these factors by city.

What would this show? We know urban areas have elevated crime rates no matter where in the world you are.

That is why I added in the 4 population categories into each state too. Rural percentage vs urban percentage (of total population in each state) should capture any influence of urbanization on the factors.

It would show a plot that even a bonehead would understand. Drinking Beverage

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25-11-2015, 12:48 PM
State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 12:41 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 11:56 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  It's also worth pointing out another failing of your "argument."

If "demographics" are a primary reason for elevated crime rates, are you suggesting that the states with the highest crime rates are also those with the largest minority populations?

If so, you've another deficit in your knowledge of reality.

No, not states, but cities for sure. But maybe states too. I haven't looked at the data for years. But I'm sure that would be the case. I'll have to look into it. But I'm kind of busy today preparing for dinner tomorrow.

You "haven't looked at the data for years"? Do you mean anecdotes? Because I'm showing you the data and you keep special pleading it away. According to you, urbanization "skews the data" and demographics are the cause of elevated crime rates in cities. (Except, that isn't supported by anything other than your anecdotes).

Why would minority assemblages only generate elevated crime for cities and not everywhere else? Why do counties in the US with little to no diversity still have crime? Why are conservative states (with less urbanization) clustering together as having elevated crime? Why do other countries not see the same racial biases that the US does? Why does poverty correlate with elevated crime regardless of city vs rural or in any other country? Why is poverty and income level in the US, racially segregated?

You're so close minded to the information in front of you, and so thoroughly convinced that your shallow analysis and irrelevant anecdotes are valid, that the obvious is oblivious to you.

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25-11-2015, 12:48 PM
State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 12:43 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 10:12 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I don't have data for these factors by city.

What would this show? We know urban areas have elevated crime rates no matter where in the world you are.

That is why I added in the 4 population categories into each state too. Rural percentage vs urban percentage (of total population in each state) should capture any influence of urbanization on the factors.

It would show a plot that even a bonehead would understand. Drinking Beverage

I'm not so sure that's true. What seems obvious to most, is clearly oblivious to some.

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25-11-2015, 12:50 PM
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Also, I'm confused. Earlier you blamed it on cities being controlled by democrats. Now it's your racist idea. Which is it? Are democrats creating the elevated crime rates in cities, or minorities?

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25-11-2015, 12:56 PM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 12:43 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 10:12 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I don't have data for these factors by city.

What would this show? We know urban areas have elevated crime rates no matter where in the world you are.

That is why I added in the 4 population categories into each state too. Rural percentage vs urban percentage (of total population in each state) should capture any influence of urbanization on the factors.

It would show a plot that even a bonehead would understand. Drinking Beverage

I'll try, but it is going to take me a bit

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25-11-2015, 01:27 PM
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(25-11-2015 12:50 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Also, I'm confused. Earlier you blamed it on cities being controlled by democrats. Now it's your racist idea. Which is it? Are democrats creating the elevated crime rates in cities, or minorities?

Minorities tend to vote democrat, so the two are related, right?

10 states with highest crime rate (including D.C.) and % of white population.

10. Delaware / 63.7% white
9. Arizona / 56.2% white
8. Arkansas / 73% white
7. Florida / 55% white
6. Louisiana / 63% white
5. Nevada / 51% white
4. Tennessee / 74% white
3. New Mexico / 38.9% white
2. South Carolina / 63.9% white
1. District of Columbia / 34.8% white

10 states with lowest crime rate, and % of white population.

1. New Hampshire / 91.3% white
2. North Dakota / 88.9% white
3. Vermont / 93.5% white
4. South Dakota / 83% white
5. Maine / 93.8% white
6. Idaho / 82.8% white
7. Virginia / 63% white
8. Wyoming / 84.1% white
9. Connecticut / 71.2% white
10. New Jersey / 59% white

http://www.usa.com/rank/us--crime-index--state-rank.htm
http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045214/

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25-11-2015, 01:31 PM
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(25-11-2015 01:27 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 12:50 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Also, I'm confused. Earlier you blamed it on cities being controlled by democrats. Now it's your racist idea. Which is it? Are democrats creating the elevated crime rates in cities, or minorities?

Minorities tend to vote democrat, so the two are related, right?

10 states with highest crime rate (including D.C.) and % of white population.

10. Delaware / 63.7% white
9. Arizona / 56.2% white
8. Arkansas / 73% white
7. Florida / 55% white
6. Louisiana / 63% white
5. Nevada / 51% white
4. Tennessee / 74% white
3. New Mexico / 38.9% white
2. South Carolina / 63.9% white
1. District of Columbia / 34.8% white

10 states with lowest crime rate, and % of white population.

1. New Hampshire / 91.3% white
2. North Dakota / 88.9% white
3. Vermont / 93.5% white
4. South Dakota / 83% white
5. Maine / 93.8% white
6. Idaho / 82.8% white
7. Virginia / 63% white
8. Wyoming / 84.1% white
9. Connecticut / 71.2% white
10. New Jersey / 59% white

http://www.usa.com/rank/us--crime-index--state-rank.htm
http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045214/

Want to bet that your attempt to tie this to race (which you still claim isn't racist) has far more to do with poverty and income level?

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25-11-2015, 01:51 PM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 01:31 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 01:27 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Minorities tend to vote democrat, so the two are related, right?

10 states with highest crime rate (including D.C.) and % of white population.

10. Delaware / 63.7% white
9. Arizona / 56.2% white
8. Arkansas / 73% white
7. Florida / 55% white
6. Louisiana / 63% white
5. Nevada / 51% white
4. Tennessee / 74% white
3. New Mexico / 38.9% white
2. South Carolina / 63.9% white
1. District of Columbia / 34.8% white

10 states with lowest crime rate, and % of white population.

1. New Hampshire / 91.3% white
2. North Dakota / 88.9% white
3. Vermont / 93.5% white
4. South Dakota / 83% white
5. Maine / 93.8% white
6. Idaho / 82.8% white
7. Virginia / 63% white
8. Wyoming / 84.1% white
9. Connecticut / 71.2% white
10. New Jersey / 59% white

http://www.usa.com/rank/us--crime-index--state-rank.htm
http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045214/

Want to bet that your attempt to tie this to race (which you still claim isn't racist) has far more to do with poverty and income level?

Facepalm

You believe crime is caused by poverty and income levels, I do not. I believe it's an excuse. Rape is not tied to economics, perhaps you should look at crime statistics.

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25-11-2015, 01:51 PM
RE: State by State Comparison
(25-11-2015 12:48 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(25-11-2015 12:41 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  No, not states, but cities for sure. But maybe states too. I haven't looked at the data for years. But I'm sure that would be the case. I'll have to look into it. But I'm kind of busy today preparing for dinner tomorrow.

You "haven't looked at the data for years"? Do you mean anecdotes? Because I'm showing you the data and you keep special pleading it away. According to you, urbanization "skews the data" and demographics are the cause of elevated crime rates in cities. (Except, that isn't supported by anything other than your anecdotes).

Don't you just hate it when people do that?

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