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17-10-2013, 04:23 PM
Story of Jesus Christ now proven to be a fabrication
(17-10-2013 12:34 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(16-10-2013 07:34 PM)Crimson Flyboy Wrote:  The problem is that we have no evidence for the existence of this Jesus guy. Can you prove he existed?

No evidence he existed? I guess:

1) You can prove YOU exist so we can worry about the ancient peoples later...

2) How many ancient people of the millions of lived and died have a dozen panegyrics (histories, atheists, please) written about them, like Jesus does?

No evidence He existed? The Bible contains documents with his geneaology, history, life promises and etc.

You are further disagreeing with the vast body of mainline, non-evangelical scholars:

"Most modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, but scholars differ on the historicity of specific episodes described in the Biblical accounts of Jesus..."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

I don't mind hearing the usual wacky (and some very solid) theories here from freethinkers on this forum, but please try to limit yourself to what PhD scholars worldwide who don't know Jesus from a hole in the head agree with, please!

1.I can obviously prove my own existence, people know me and have spoken to me.
2. Not one single writer wrote about Jesus during his supposed life, not one. The New Testament was written after the supposed crucifixion, in fact decades after.
3. I don't care about how many scholars think he existed, facts are not proven in a democratic process. Something is either true or it isn't, and if you say it is true you must prove it with facts.
4. Free thinkers are not hampered by avoiding certain topics because they are uncomfortable.

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18-10-2013, 07:20 PM
Story of Jesus Christ now proven to be a fabrication
What happened to PleaseJesus?

"Laissez nous faire!"

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18-10-2013, 07:22 PM
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(18-10-2013 07:20 PM)Crimson Flyboy Wrote:  What happened to PleaseJesus?

He only posts from work Mon-Fri usually at the end of the day.

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18-10-2013, 07:24 PM
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(18-10-2013 07:20 PM)Crimson Flyboy Wrote:  What happened to PleaseJesus?

He only posts when he's at work, during the week, at the pamphlet factory. Tongue

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19-10-2013, 02:06 AM
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(18-10-2013 07:20 PM)Crimson Flyboy Wrote:  What happened to PleaseJesus?

He got raptored.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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19-10-2013, 11:27 AM
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Quote: 1.I can obviously prove my own existence, people know me and have spoken to me.

PJ loves to drag around this useless dead corpse of epistemology so he can make the entire point an argument ad absurdium and in his view "win". He knows we are talking about knowledge to a usable certainty - e.g. we can only be 99.999% sure of ANYTHING in this world, even our own existence, and therefore cannot "prove" anything i.e. beyond ALL doubt. We can only know things to a practical certainty. OK so what?

What we are talking about is evidence of Jesus sufficient to get us to that practical certainty, but he wants to talk about the .1 % chance that we are wrong because of Hume's arguments against any actual knowledge, and then blast the hole so wide open he can drive his "Jesus Lives" bumper-stickered Mac Truck through it. Its a retarded game of Sophistry designed as philosophical integrity so that he can make ridiculous points. Enjoy the retarted conversation that ensues - once he gets back to the "office" of arguing with atheists online, that is.

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21-10-2013, 02:35 PM
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(17-10-2013 03:28 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(17-10-2013 12:30 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Yes. Do you have an idea of how many of them offer prophecy in addition, and also have empirical evidence we can research proving the prophecies? One (1).


Bad example, though, since Paul rose from the dead after his stoning!

"Yes. Do you have an idea of how many of them offer prophecy in addition, and also have empirical evidence we can research proving the prophecies? One (1)."

Tell us which prophecies came true.

Mark, really? You won't get upset if I post over 300 prophecies here?
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21-10-2013, 02:37 PM
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(17-10-2013 12:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(17-10-2013 12:30 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Yes. Do you have an idea of how many of them offer prophecy in addition, and also have empirical evidence we can research proving the prophecies? One (1).


Bad example, though, since Paul rose from the dead after his stoning!

Do you have any idea how many "prophecies did NOT come true ?
I reject the foundation. ALL the bullshit is based on at least two false premises.
1. Prophesy was the words of their deity to the people of THEIR OWN day. It was not till "pesherism" arose that the invention of prophesy as sooth-saying arose, LATE in Jewish history.
2. None of them can refer to someone who didn't get the MAIN job done, someone might be referred to as a "messiah".

Paul did not "die", if he got up. No human has ever risen from a dead state. Your point is totally irrelevant, and in no way clarifies what he MEANT by resurrection, (as Professor Scott points out in his book).

Are you saying that there are no future-telling prophecies in the HB? Is that your statement, even though you also date the HB late?
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21-10-2013, 02:53 PM
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Even if there were, what does that tell us other than that bronze age goatherd man had a future telling ability ?

But how do you *know* that those 'prophecies' were actual predictions and not later fabrications ?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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21-10-2013, 03:01 PM
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(21-10-2013 02:37 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(17-10-2013 12:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Do you have any idea how many "prophecies did NOT come true ?
I reject the foundation. ALL the bullshit is based on at least two false premises.
1. Prophesy was the words of their deity to the people of THEIR OWN day. It was not till "pesherism" arose that the invention of prophesy as sooth-saying arose, LATE in Jewish history.
2. None of them can refer to someone who didn't get the MAIN job done, someone might be referred to as a "messiah".

Paul did not "die", if he got up. No human has ever risen from a dead state. Your point is totally irrelevant, and in no way clarifies what he MEANT by resurrection, (as Professor Scott points out in his book).

Are you saying that there are no future-telling prophecies in the HB? Is that your statement, even though you also date the HB late?

Prophecy is prohibited by Jewish law.

Most if not all the biblical predictions about jebus were either misappropriated texts or twisted and contorted to seem legit.

And just to restate prophecy is prohibited.

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