Story of creation and unanswered questions
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07-02-2013, 08:22 AM
RE: Story of creation and unanswered questions
(07-02-2013 07:21 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The real question is "why are beleievrs SO fucking anal retentive that they need their ancient set of capriciously cobbled together torahs to be literally true ?" and are SO intimidated by the fact that it might not be actually true.
Well, perhaps because they have no arguments to back it up to begin with, which pisses them off, but they'd not admit it. Self-criticism isn't a common trait among many humans, especially when certain claims pretty much took over their whole life. They try hard to defend it using the same old arguments over and over again. Just notice, none of the believers actually examines or even reflects posts like the one I made, instead they either get offensive, try to distract from the actual topic by throwing in stereotypical and pseudo-scientific phrases, that those show that they have little to no knowledge about their proclaimed "enemey's" subject. The actual focus gets shifted to correct those claims, which again, distract from the actual topic previously made.

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07-02-2013, 08:59 AM
RE: Story of creation and unanswered questions
There are many christians who truly believe "if any of it is false, then it is ALL false". It is an extreme form of dichotomy. Here's the thing. People who MUST have it all true are subconsiously [or even openly] selfish people, . . . wanting to have a blissful and eternal afterlife where there is "no tears, pain, death, etc". It is a fear of death. So for them, . . . the 6 day creation MUST be true . . . because the alternative is unpleasant to them.
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07-02-2013, 09:09 AM
RE: Story of creation and unanswered questions
AtheismExposed Wrote:1 and 3 go together, in a way. "How do plants grow without a sun?" there was light created two days earlier. If you've ever grown any plants indoors you'll know they don't specifically need sunlight
so much as a light source in general. Smile


You can't be that ignorant on the process of photosynthesis..

Quote:Before there is structure in the universe, there is God. How can you reject this but accept big bangism and the idea that an explosion made time and space and dimensions and matter from nothing?

You can't be that ignorant on the Big Bang and how stars are formed...

Quote:Day 4, have you never seen a construction crew using temporary floodlights while they build a road with its own streetlights? Also this one mainly refers to the diurnal cycle of the sun and moon's rotation about us.

Mental gymnastics much? That is simply not true. The Hebrew makes no distinction. You are making stuff up.

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07-02-2013, 09:12 AM
RE: Story of creation and unanswered questions
On topic:

As more and more Christians accept evolution, you will start to see the literal interpretation of Genesis fade. A literal interpretation is a relatively new idea. Augustine questioned its validity in the 5th century.

Based on ANE history, the story was never meant to be taken literally.... different denominations started doing it and it just caught on. Much like dispensationalism.

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07-02-2013, 09:58 PM
RE: Story of creation and unanswered questions
(07-02-2013 09:12 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  (...)
Based on ANE history, the story was never meant to be taken literally.... different denominations started doing it and it just caught on. Much like dispensationalism.
Thing is though, if the stories aren't supposed to be taken literally, it would mean that god can't be taken literally as well, since it's being said that the bible are his words. It would all come down to just a fairy tale, mythical book along with all its characters and that's something christians wouldn't be too happy to accept.

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08-02-2013, 03:09 AM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2013 08:04 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Story of creation and unanswered questions
There is/was no "before" there was "structure" in the universe. Space-time is PART of the structure of the universe, therefore any talk of *before* is meaningless.
BTW if there are any YEC's/literal Bible people hanging around, here is another nail in the coffin of your belief system.
And of course anyone who has ever studied volcanos, knows 6,000 year old Earth is so completely impossible, it's laughable.



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08-02-2013, 06:36 AM
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I think you interpreted the second day wrong pxl.

According to Genesis 1, the firmament (not skies, though maybe it says skies in one of the other translations, I'm going with KJV) is a solid dome over the earth put in place to stop the water that fills the entirety of space from crashing down to Earth, with the stars set into it like tiny spotlights on a ceiling.

Remember Noah's Ark? The flood is described as being started by God opening holes in the firmament to let the space waters through and flood the Earth. And before the first day God's spirit is described as being reflected on the surface of the waters.

Also Genesis 1 talks of "above" and "below" the Earth. This makes no sense when talking about a sphere travelling through space. But when talking about a flat Earth with us on one side and pretty much nothing on the other, perspectives like above and below start making sense.

You'd think we'd have noticed all these things when astronauts started going into space really.
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08-02-2013, 06:56 AM
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(08-02-2013 06:36 AM)hedgehog648 Wrote:  Also Genesis 1 talks of "above" and "below" the Earth. This makes no sense when talking about a sphere travelling through space. But when talking about a flat Earth with us on one side and pretty much nothing on the other, perspectives like above and below start making sense. (...)
Well, people thought the earth was flat, so from that perspective it makes sense, yet god should have known better, shouldn't he? Quite embarrassing, that humans would later find out that the earth is a sphere.

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08-02-2013, 10:47 AM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2013 10:52 AM by Vosur.)
RE: Story of creation and unanswered questions
(08-02-2013 06:36 AM)hedgehog648 Wrote:  I think you interpreted the second day wrong pxl.

According to Genesis 1, the firmament (not skies, though maybe it says skies in one of the other translations, I'm going with KJV) is a solid dome over the earth put in place to stop the water that fills the entirety of space from crashing down to Earth, with the stars set into it like tiny spotlights on a ceiling.

Remember Noah's Ark? The flood is described as being started by God opening holes in the firmament to let the space waters through and flood the Earth. And before the first day God's spirit is described as being reflected on the surface of the waters.

Also Genesis 1 talks of "above" and "below" the Earth. This makes no sense when talking about a sphere travelling through space. But when talking about a flat Earth with us on one side and pretty much nothing on the other, perspectives like above and below start making sense.

You'd think we'd have noticed all these things when astronauts started going into space really.
According to kingschosen, one of the most accurate English translations of the Bible is the New American Standard Bible (NASB). In this version, the Genesis account also talks about "above the earth", though not about "below the earth".

Genesis 1:20
20 Then God said, “Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.”

With that said, I'm not entirely sure about whether this verse is referring to the planet "earth" or if it simply means the earth beneath our feet.

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08-02-2013, 11:32 AM
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(08-02-2013 10:47 AM)Vosur Wrote:  With that said, I'm not entirely sure about whether this verse is referring to the planet "earth" or if it simply means the earth beneath our feet.

This ambiguous translation crap is getting old. We need to get someone to petition Yahweh to come out with the Bible V2.0, preferably with a handy DVD and companion Wiki... Consider

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