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25-07-2013, 06:25 AM
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A lot of my friends who are young and into Anime are really into guyxguy, dunno what that says though. Me? Gotta love that lesbian porn.

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25-07-2013, 06:37 AM
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Wait, did DL just say he likes gay porn?

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25-07-2013, 06:43 AM
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(25-07-2013 06:02 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  I am *not happy* with all these generalizations going on. Angry

Just about everything society considers "porn" doesn't do shit for me. Pix of my Gwynnies, however... Drooling

Oh! And, no.

How about Gwynnies on Gwynnies? Blink

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25-07-2013, 07:16 AM
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I've heard from several of my female friends that they find gay porn very stimulating. And why not? Smile
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25-07-2013, 01:30 PM (This post was last modified: 25-07-2013 03:14 PM by Dark Light.)
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(25-07-2013 03:13 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  I think my opinion as a woman who used to enjoy gay porn might interest you.

For the same reason that men enjoy lesbian porn, some women enjoy gay porn. Women like men, they like watching men, so having two hot guys going at might be sexy. However, there are some limits.

You may find many of these women (or girls) in the "circles" of Japanese rock music, as it is something like a "trend" for the members of the bands to pretend that they are gay, with the subsequent imaginations of fangirls turning into twisted fanfiction. I used to be one of those girls and every single one of my friends enjoyed reading such fanfiction, which led to us looking for Japanese gay porn. Now, the difference here is that the submissive partner was always more effeminate. I remember I didn't enjoy watching two macho men having sex, so it could very possibly be a social thing. I was a teenager back then and the whole thing gave me weird compulsions and thoughts, being attracted to effeminate males and fantasizing about them, while also feeling I wanted to play the part of a man in sex.

At the same time, there is man to woman dominance and submission, where, in the case of a man being submissive, he does not actually lose his masculinity. I think of it somehow as the same thing. Mind you though, I do not enjoy that anymore and I wonder why it just passed.

Also, there are actually many men who do not enjoy lesbian porn. I distinctly remember trying to force it to boyfriends to make them "normal". At the same time, there are many women who enjoy lesbian porn (I personally prefer it to straight).

But in the end, a woman wants a man to be a man, masculinity is something all men are struggling with. Remember that there are many women (including myself) that wouldn't mind having sex with a pretty girl. Even if they don't like it, they can easily pretend they do (I doubt you thought the girls in lesbian porn were lesbians). But for a guy to have sex with another guy when he is straight, well, most men wouldn't do it even if they got paid for it. I doubt it's because men would not enjoy the feeling (women enjoy it, so why not men?) and I feel it's mostly because of how people are raised. You must be a man, you must be macho, you must be dominant, you must not be humiliated. There are no such things for women, as far as sex is concerned.

Thanks for the in depth reply. I think you may have made several good points, one of which I considered typing about, but I didn't have much info to back it up. The most interesting point that you made, I think, is that there is usually a masculinity problem with straight men..well, some gay men as well, but most straight men do feel the social need to be dominate. There are homosexual acts that doesn't cause this issue so much, but it probably isn't regularly featured in gay porn. I'm referring to mutual handjobs. Some gay men don't engage in penetration at all. Women performing homosexual acts don't have to worry about the social pressures of being dominate. Some women do enjoy the role, but there is less of a more (pr. moor-a) for dominate women, vice effeminate men.

Now, the point about the 'trend' toward anime and it's association with women enjoying gay porn. That is something I first encountered on deviantArt (how appropriate Tongue). When I stumbled across it my initial reaction was, 'What the fuck!?'. Then I served on a ship with a young woman who was into this. On a ship where almost no one is having sex for several months at a time, sex is often a topic of conversation. You end up learning quite a bit, often times too much about your fellow sailors. Anyhow, this girl in particular confessed this fantasy to me...privately, which is strange enough. I later learned that I was part of a sexual fantasy of hers (from a third party) that involved one of my friends Confused Things became real awkward at times. When my friend and I were together goofing off at times, I could see the sexual excitement on her face.

Anyhow, yes, it happens. Some women are certainly turned on by male homosexual sex. But, I think you'd agree the amount of straight men into lesbian porn compared to the amount of straight women into male gay porn is far from proportionate.

Now I wonder, what the fuck is the association with straight chicks into Japanese media and culture, a gay sexual fantasies?

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25-07-2013, 01:37 PM
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[/quote] the amount of straight men into lesbian porn compared to the amount of straight men into lesbian porn is far from proportionate.
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25-07-2013, 03:15 PM
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25-07-2013, 03:36 PM
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For what I've read, a sociological theory to explain this is that lesbian porn only has two women being sexually objectified, this is not problematic and actually arousing, because women are in the lowest part of the social hierarchy and are supposed to be objectified, therefore, lesbian porn is as good as it gets because it's allowed and without risk (no men in the picture).

gay porn on the other hand is an outrageous attack against masculinity and everything that makes a men a men, this is: not being a women, not being gay, not being submissive, not being sexually passive. The only worse thing would be if the top in the scene was a child (and not for the pedo thing, because "not being a child" is the last commandment for manhood).

Women don't usually enjoy gay men porn because women are also part of the patriarchal system, so they're supposed to find stimulating the same things as men but for their role (being passive, submissive, etc), patriarchy is not symmetric.


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25-07-2013, 03:36 PM
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(25-07-2013 01:43 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  So, I reckon I got your attention.

Anyhow, I have oft wondered the Psychology and/or Sociology behind this one. Most heterosexual men seem to enjoy lesbian porn. I am counted among those. Doesn't even have to be real porn. I have been caught, very drunk mind you, staring at lesbians making out. Straight women on the other hand do not generally get turned on by two dudes going at it. At least not by admittance. Most women, from my experience, at least claim to find the idea of two dudes fucking to be sexually repulsive. Do not confuse this with moral repugnation (Yeah, I'm inventing my own word here).

So what is going on in the brain here? I think that psychology is the most important element at work here, however there is probably a cultural element going on here as well.

I would even go as far as hypothesizing that a statistically significant number of young women even go as far a homosexual acts to attract a heterosexual mates. I have no evidence to back that hypotheses, however there is less of a stigma attached to homosexual acts between women compared to men. Additionally, more women fess up to having performed homosexual acts than men. The latter statistic is almost certainly influenced by the former, but there are more bisexual and lesbian women than men, which may be affected in part by the hypothesis which I am making.

Anyone know of any reputable studies or research related to homosexual attraction by heterosexual men and women?

By the way, I am not implying that sexual attraction by anyone to anything is in anyway 'fake'.

You can count me among the guys who like seeing two attractive women kissing. I honestly don't think it needs to be explained any further when you break it down into its parts: 1) attractive women and 2) kissing. I don't find the idea of two masculine women kissing appealing at all. This is because they remind me too much of men.

Yaoi (boy love) manga has a HUGE female following. I think it's because of the emotions shared between the male characters. I have a female highschool friend, a published author, who writes homoerotic stories with another woman. Both are straight and married.
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25-07-2013, 03:45 PM
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(25-07-2013 03:13 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  You may find many of these women (or girls) in the "circles" of Japanese rock music, as it is something like a "trend" for the members of the bands to pretend that they are gay, with the subsequent imaginations of fangirls turning into twisted fanfiction. I used to be one of those girls and every single one of my friends enjoyed reading such fanfiction, which led to us looking for Japanese gay porn. Now, the difference here is that the submissive partner was always more effeminate. I remember I didn't enjoy watching two macho men having sex, so it could very possibly be a social thing. I was a teenager back then and the whole thing gave me weird compulsions and thoughts, being attracted to effeminate males and fantasizing about them, while also feeling I wanted to play the part of a man in sex.

At the same time, there is man to woman dominance and submission, where, in the case of a man being submissive, he does not actually lose his masculinity. I think of it somehow as the same thing. Mind you though, I do not enjoy that anymore and I wonder why it just passed.

Also, there are actually many men who do not enjoy lesbian porn. I distinctly remember trying to force it to boyfriends to make them "normal". At the same time, there are many women who enjoy lesbian porn (I personally prefer it to straight).

But in the end, a woman wants a man to be a man, masculinity is something all men are struggling with. Remember that there are many women (including myself) that wouldn't mind having sex with a pretty girl. Even if they don't like it, they can easily pretend they do (I doubt you thought the girls in lesbian porn were lesbians). But for a guy to have sex with another guy when he is straight, well, most men wouldn't do it even if they got paid for it. I doubt it's because men would not enjoy the feeling (women enjoy it, so why not men?) and I feel it's mostly because of how people are raised. You must be a man, you must be macho, you must be dominant, you must not be humiliated. There are no such things for women, as far as sex is concerned.

Ssssooooo, in short.... Seme or Uke?

On another note: apparently there is no such thing as lesbian porn.



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