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05-07-2013, 10:27 AM
Student ordered to remove crucifix necklace to avoid "offense" to others
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/...46222.html

"Christianity is under attack" Dodgy

A student has expressed her shock after being ordered by her school to remove her crucifix necklace over fears it "might offend others".

Audrey Jarvis, a student at Sonoma State University in California, was volunteering at institution's orientation fair for incoming first years when she was informed by her supervisor her religious jewellery might make other students feel unwelcome. The 19-year-old told Fox News: "My initial reaction was one of complete shock, I was thrown for a loop.

"I was offended because I believe as a Christian woman it is my prerogative to display my faith any way I like so long as it is not harming anyone else.

"I was very hurt and felt as if the university’s mission statement – which includes tolerance and inclusivity to all – was violated."

Jarvis subsequently sought legal support, saying she had no choice but to ask for "religious accommodation". Her lawyer has said she deserves an apology from the school.

Jarvis was later told to either remove her cross or hide it for a second time, and she consequently left her student worker job early.

A university spokesperson said it was a case of "political correctness got out of hand".

"Someone who works here was concerned that the cross might be off-putting to students who are coming to campus for the first time. It was absolutely an inappropriate action for him to make that request of her,” she said, adding the supervisor was "completely wrong".

The President of Sonoma State University, Ruben Armiñana, dubbed the incident "stupid", telling The Press Democrat: “It was a stupid request and uncalled for and unsubstantiated and the person who did it has admitted all that.”

Audrey's Mother, Debbie, later recalled to Fox News a conversation she had with Audrey.

“She’s a strong Christian, a faith-filled young woman who spent her summers at Catholic camp,” Jarvis said. “She’s just full of the Lord.”

“She doesn’t wear the cross as a fashion statement,” she said. “It’s a statement of her faith.”

As she tried to console her daughter, Jarvis reminded her that “we are still one nation under God.”

“And she told me, ‘Mom, it doesn’t feel like that here,” Jarvis said. “Our faith was attacked. It’s unnerving. I know what’s going on in this country. I know Christianity is being attacked. Now, I know it first-hand and it sickens me and saddens me.”

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07-07-2013, 06:52 PM
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This story hurts my head. I think it was completely appropriate to ask her to at least conceal the necklace given that she was representing her school and welcoming people of all creeds and religious/non-religious preferences. The fact that the Christian right of this country is actively trying to turns themselves into the discriminated against when they have been the ones discriminating against many, many minorities throughout the years is sickening.

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07-07-2013, 08:21 PM
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It's a mislabel to just say... Student.. It's not from her being a student it's from being an orientation guide.

Situations such as that happen frequently in work environments. Having potentially undesired ideas conviced by images makes it a reason to say hold back.

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07-07-2013, 08:32 PM
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One thing that bothers me a lot about these "religion under attack" claims is the hypocrisy. One person tells someone to remove a religious symbol out of an unfounded fear that someone will take offense, and then that one case represents the will of everyone who isn't Christian, or who is but is also a "liberal" or believes in political correctness. That one case is somehow proof of how most of the country is turning against you, and how the institutions are all becoming anti-Christian.

But of course, a pedophile priest is just an exception. Christians are good people. That priest wasn't a true Christian - he doesn't represent us. Oh, a Christian murdered children? He was just mentally ill. He doesn't count. A group of Christians attacked gay men? They were just bad people. Most Christians aren't like that!

That is the basis of all "Christianity under attack" claims. Someone somewhere does something you disagree with, and it's proof that you are being oppressed. It doesn't matter that there are tons of examples about how your group is oppressing people, because one lady telling another lady not to wear a necklace is all the proof we need, even if it was resolved in favour of the Christian.

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07-07-2013, 09:16 PM
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What annoys me is that the person who asked this student to remove it, and the university have admitted they were wrong and apologized...
Yet this shit still makes the news..

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07-07-2013, 10:49 PM
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In this case, I agree with the girl. She should be able to wear a necklace with whatever faith symbols she sees fit.

As for the persecution angle, it was perfect fodder for Fox News. The drama queens there ran with it and played out the victim card to the n-th degree.

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07-07-2013, 10:50 PM
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(07-07-2013 08:32 PM)Elesjei Wrote:  One thing that bothers me a lot about these "religion under attack" claims is the hypocrisy. One person tells someone to remove a religious symbol out of an unfounded fear that someone will take offense, and then that one case represents the will of everyone who isn't Christian, or who is but is also a "liberal" or believes in political correctness. That one case is somehow proof of how most of the country is turning against you, and how the institutions are all becoming anti-Christian.

But of course, a pedophile priest is just an exception. Christians are good people. That priest wasn't a true Christian - he doesn't represent us. Oh, a Christian murdered children? He was just mentally ill. He doesn't count. A group of Christians attacked gay men? They were just bad people. Most Christians aren't like that!

That is the basis of all "Christianity under attack" claims. Someone somewhere does something you disagree with, and it's proof that you are being oppressed. It doesn't matter that there are tons of examples about how your group is oppressing people, because one lady telling another lady not to wear a necklace is all the proof we need, even if it was resolved in favour of the Christian.

Because the religious right are drama queens, that's why.

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07-07-2013, 11:48 PM
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If you are so feeble minded that a necklace like that offends or sways you, you are the problem. Some times atheists get really fucking uppiddy and its embarrassing.
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08-07-2013, 12:02 AM
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(07-07-2013 11:48 PM)TheBlackKnight Wrote:  If you are so feeble minded that a necklace like that offends or sways you, you are the problem. Some times atheists get really fucking uppiddy and its embarrassing.

To some degree, I agree. I think people need to pick and choose what is really worth the hassle. A necklace is a minuscule thing. We're talking someone displaying something around their neck. It isn't like they're proposing that gay people can't marry.

I have ran into other atheists who are so militant, that at work if someone sneezes and says, "Bless you!" they go, "THERE IS NO GOD!" - I thought to myself, "really dude? you seriously need to pull the sand out of your mangina." But some people want something to argue about and make "points on" - although if someone is going to argue over a necklace, then it would only be fair that no one display anything "potentially offensive" so it is fair to all people.

Seems overkill to me, and really just gives the opposing party something to whine about. Not constructive IMO.

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08-07-2013, 02:55 AM
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I'm just happy that the sad situation was quickly and amicably resolved by the University Admins.

Yea...I guess there are some Drama Queens out there who are going to try to make some mileage out of the situation, but it's going to be difficult for them to do so in any forum where the complete truth of the situation can be presented.
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