Stunning result in the field of Medicine
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19-02-2016, 06:26 PM
RE: Stunning result in the field of Medicine
Richard Dawkins tackled this subject.




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19-02-2016, 06:58 PM
RE: Stunning result in the field of Medicine
(19-02-2016 02:49 PM)Chas Wrote:  It is hard to believe, but medical research has determined that homeopathy is ineffective.

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19-02-2016, 07:46 PM
RE: Stunning result in the field of Medicine
(19-02-2016 05:09 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  My yoga teacher gives her dog homeopathic stuff and says her dog is better. Dodgy

That's a dog's way of saying...

"No, no, really, I'm feeling much better. Now stop torturing me with that shit!"

Dodgy

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19-02-2016, 09:36 PM
RE: Stunning result in the field of Medicine
(19-02-2016 05:09 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  My yoga teacher gives her dog homeopathic stuff and says her dog is better. Dodgy

Anecdogal evidence. Drinking Beverage

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19-02-2016, 09:41 PM
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(19-02-2016 05:49 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  "Beyond placebo" are the key words.
The fact is, the "placebo" effect is very real ... for those that experience it.
"Placebo" doesn't mean "no effect".

But "no effect beyond placebo" means it doesn't do shit.

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19-02-2016, 09:52 PM
RE: Stunning result in the field of Medicine
(19-02-2016 07:46 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(19-02-2016 05:09 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  My yoga teacher gives her dog homeopathic stuff and says her dog is better. Dodgy

That's a dog's way of saying...

"No, no, really, I'm feeling much better. Now stop torturing me with that shit!"

Dodgy

Here's an explanation of the placebo effect of homeopathy on animals. Pavlov's dogs anyone?

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/is-...r-animals/

I didn't even try to argue with my yoga teacher about her dog and homeopathic medicine. I just let it pass.

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20-02-2016, 02:25 PM
RE: Stunning result in the field of Medicine
(19-02-2016 09:41 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(19-02-2016 05:49 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  "Beyond placebo" are the key words.
The fact is, the "placebo" effect is very real ... for those that experience it.
"Placebo" doesn't mean "no effect".

But "no effect beyond placebo" means it doesn't do shit.

No. It doesn't mean that. It "does" something ... which is equivalent to the placebo effect. That is a real effect. The placebo effect is real and experienced as real.

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20-02-2016, 02:29 PM
RE: Stunning result in the field of Medicine
(20-02-2016 02:25 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(19-02-2016 09:41 PM)Chas Wrote:  But "no effect beyond placebo" means it doesn't do shit.

No. It doesn't mean that. It "does" something ... which is equivalent to the placebo effect. That is a real effect. The placebo effect is real and experienced as real.

No, it doesn't do shit. The substance is utterly unrelated to the placebo effect, and no substance at all is required.

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20-02-2016, 02:33 PM
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(20-02-2016 02:29 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(20-02-2016 02:25 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No. It doesn't mean that. It "does" something ... which is equivalent to the placebo effect. That is a real effect. The placebo effect is real and experienced as real.

No, it doesn't do shit. The substance is utterly unrelated to the placebo effect, and no substance at all is required.

The placebo effect presumes the belief there is a substance involved.

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20-02-2016, 02:36 PM
RE: Stunning result in the field of Medicine
(20-02-2016 02:33 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(20-02-2016 02:29 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, it doesn't do shit. The substance is utterly unrelated to the placebo effect, and no substance at all is required.

The placebo effect presumes the belief there is a substance involved.

Correct. It is the belief that has the effect, not the substance.

Homeopathic substances have no effects.

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