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22-10-2014, 09:06 PM
Stymied by syntax and lies in debate
So I signed up to the Worthy Christian Forums in an attempt to broaden the types of people I talk to about things. I had intended to hang out in the non-religion, non-science sections and bullshit about movies with a different, more uptight, group of people.

More fool me, that's apparently not allowed over there. "Nonbelievers" are bared from posting on the vast majority of the site. So I've been dabbling in the debate sections. Which has been almost entirely made up of confusing syntax and outright lies. Unsurprisingly.

What's worse is I'm apparently not very good at it.

I'm after help for the conversation/ debate in this thread: http://www.worthychristianforums.com/top...-it-wrong/

Starting on page two there's been a discussion on a variety of topics. I'd appreciate any input you could offer on any point but I'm specifically after more information on or help debunking:
Quote:You're gonna need another "Theory".

First of all "Time" is Immaterial. What is Time? Stephen Hawking writes a 200 page book: "A Brief History of Time"...look in the glossary, what's Missing? You guessed it...."TIME" (doh!)
Can you put some in a jar and paint it red?
It's a concept and a convention.

Time = a conceptual relationship between 2 motions. Can you travel "through" a Conceptual Relationship? Time can be Dilated? Please show how you can dilate a conceptual relationship?
Time "Moves", We can Travel "Through" Time, Time can be "Dilated". Hmmm, Concepts are Physical?? The Whole Nightmare is a Logical Fallacy: Reification. Professionalism in State Government is a Concept...can we "move through" it ? How about "Dilating" Freedom?

Lets conduct a Thought Experiment:

According to General Relativity, "Time" will move slower the the closer and you are to Earth or a Body due to Gravity. Ok, Lets use a Gravitational Clock... Two Sand Filled Hour Glasses, which function by GRAVITY; apples to apples, as it were. We'll keep one and set it on the ground @ the base of Mount Everest then take the other to the top. We then turn them over @ the same "Time"....which one drains faster?

Lets try it again....we move the "Clock" from the top of Mount Everest and take it into Space between the Moon and the Earth...then turn each over again. Which drains faster? For the person who is turning that "Clock" over in Space....time has stopped! Because there's no Sand entering the bulb. Which "Clock" is moving slower? Define Falsified?

Define Rubber Ruler? .... then Compare and Contrast that Measure with a Titanium Ruler then reconcile each into One coherent and objective explanation.
You're extrapolating from an erroneous/arbitrary "convention". You're conflating 2 different issues...it's one thing for Mickey's Hands/Cesium Atomic "Clocks" to run fast/slow but quite another to then extrapolate from that observation that "TIME" has been affected due to Gravity.
I barely remember when we touched on this stuff in college and this is stuff that we as a species don't have a great handle on anyway so I'm having some trouble with it.
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22-10-2014, 09:21 PM
RE: Stymied by syntax and lies in debate
These people are not worth your time.

Insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
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22-10-2014, 10:04 PM
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I browsed the site a bit..wow. Just wow. Aliens, missing time, Ouija boards, demons everywhere. It's like I was visiting a paranormal forum, why the hell do they also believe in all of this junk as well? Lets not forget the science deniers...

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22-10-2014, 10:20 PM
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(22-10-2014 09:06 PM)Stuffed_Assumption_Meringue Wrote:  I barely remember when we touched on this stuff in college and this is stuff that we as a species don't have a great handle on anyway so I'm having some trouble with it.

The guy you quoted is just some tit. He no physicist, he just feels soooooooo confident to rubbish a *popular science* book by a *respected* physicist based on his feels. Fuck 'im. He's too fucken smug. You won't make headway. Forget it. I hate fuckheads like that.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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23-10-2014, 12:32 AM
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There is a reason you won't get many, if any, legitimate theists searching for an honest debate on atheist forums....they don't have an actual leg to stand on. So they fabricate evidence and use terms and conditions that can't be verified. "I felt Jesus inside me!"

As everyone else has said above; not worth your time. You'll get nothing but frustrated. You can't force feed someone whose mouth has been sewn shut.
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23-10-2014, 12:47 AM
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Always remember this:

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23-10-2014, 12:49 AM
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Any suggestions for subtle insults to drop in the exit post? (It just seems rude to end the conversation by not replying?)
(22-10-2014 09:21 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  These people are not worth your time.
(22-10-2014 10:20 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(22-10-2014 09:06 PM)Stuffed_Assumption_Meringue Wrote:  I barely remember when we touched on this stuff in college and this is stuff that we as a species don't have a great handle on anyway so I'm having some trouble with it.

The guy you quoted is just some tit. He no physicist, he just feels soooooooo confident to rubbish a *popular science* book by a *respected* physicist based on his feels. Fuck 'im. He's too fucken smug. You won't make headway. Forget it. I hate fuckheads like that.

(23-10-2014 12:32 AM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  There is a reason you won't get many, if any, legitimate theists searching for an honest debate on atheist forums....they don't have an actual leg to stand on. So they fabricate evidence and use terms and conditions that can't be verified. "I felt Jesus inside me!"

As everyone else has said above; not worth your time. You'll get nothing but frustrated. You can't force feed someone whose mouth has been sewn shut.
I'm going to take this as good advice. Thank you. I'm not enjoying the conversation and frankly it's just really depressing there.

Point in case: I've now discovered that the third-ish post I made on the site was taken down for saying that the bible contained metaphor. I was already holding back on the "calling them stupid" stuff.
(22-10-2014 10:04 PM)grizzlysnake Wrote:  I browsed the site a bit..wow. Just wow. Aliens, missing time, Ouija boards, demons everywhere. It's like I was visiting a paranormal forum, why the hell do they also believe in all of this junk as well? Lets not forget the science deniers...
I dropped into the chat on my first afternoon and had six people tell me five different conspiracy theories/ rapture theories/ end of days prophecies and three different theories for who the devil was. (The Pope, Obama and L. Ron Hubbard.)
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23-10-2014, 01:11 AM
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You could end your stay there by telling them the truth; that they are all scared, hypocritical liars, who censor any outsiders because they're afraid of an honest discussion. It won't do any good, but it might make you feel a little better.

Or you could go to your nearest church and punch the pastor/priest/child molester right in the dick.
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23-10-2014, 02:19 AM
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(23-10-2014 01:11 AM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  You could end your stay there by telling them the truth; that they are all scared, hypocritical liars, who censor any outsiders because they're afraid of an honest discussion. It won't do any good, but it might make you feel a little better.

Or you could go to your nearest church and punch the pastor/priest/child molester right in the dick.

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23-10-2014, 02:19 AM
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You could say "there are hundreds of god's that you don't believe in. That makes you 99.9% atheist "

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