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03-11-2012, 10:54 PM
Subjective and Objective
Is subject and object two different ideas?

For some philosophers one was used as a background or as a function to realize one or the other.

When philosophers try to accentuate one or the other, they end up using the the other one as the performing function. Example: When Kant wants to articulate the subject/subjective experience he uses the objective experience as the passage towards the subjective.

Hegel does the opposite in a slightly different way.

If in all thought or language subjective is predicated on objective or objective predicated on the subjective isn't it incorrect to say that subjective and objective are opposites if they are dependent on each other?

Hegel and other philosophers show the way to break out of this problem in formulating that not only are they not two opposites but they aren't two separate acts either, they are both different and the same and this dialectic is part of experience itself.

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03-11-2012, 11:10 PM
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So your point is...

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03-11-2012, 11:11 PM
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(03-11-2012 11:10 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  So your point is...
it's called a discussion forum, people read then people discuss, Drinking Beverage
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03-11-2012, 11:15 PM
RE: Subjective and Objective
(03-11-2012 11:11 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(03-11-2012 11:10 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  So your point is...
it's called a discussion forum, people read then people discuss, Drinking Beverage
Oh, that's funny, considering that you refuse to look at the evidence provided to you in discussions. I do hope you realize that this is one of the reasons more and more people ignore your threads. Consider

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03-11-2012, 11:18 PM
RE: Subjective and Objective
(03-11-2012 11:15 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(03-11-2012 11:11 PM)I and I Wrote:  it's called a discussion forum, people read then people discuss, Drinking Beverage
Oh, that's funny, considering that you refuse to look at the evidence provided to you in discussions. I do hope you realize that this is one of the reasons more and more people ignore your threads. Consider
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03-11-2012, 11:19 PM
RE: Subjective and Objective
You need to elaborate because all you've done is question Kant and Hegel on a minor point of philosophy without providing an alternative hypothesis. You almost raise an almost interesting point, but you don't provide any *meat* to your argument. Come up with your own idea of what objective and subjective reality are, then flesh that concept out and post it. Then we can talk.

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03-11-2012, 11:44 PM (This post was last modified: 04-11-2012 12:17 AM by fstratzero.)
RE: Subjective and Objective
Reminds me of epistemology 101.

Subjective/objective arguments are a waste of time.

(Anecdotes prove nothing but its funny)
Before my granpa died he decided that reality was merely his subjective perception, and he'd simply will away is stroke symptoms.(He was partially paralyzed) Basically after way too many attempts he had to accept the truth.

Reality was real and he couldn't heal himself with faulty philosophy. Derp

So the moral of the story is.... Lose a limb, break a neck, or incur some brain damage and then use the subjective reality argument to escape your fate.

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04-11-2012, 08:54 AM
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(03-11-2012 11:44 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  Reminds me of epistemology 101.

Subjective/objective arguments are a waste of time.

(Anecdotes prove nothing but its funny)
Before my granpa died he decided that reality was merely his subjective perception, and he'd simply will away is stroke symptoms.(He was partially paralyzed) Basically after way too many attempts he had to accept the truth.

Reality was real and he couldn't heal himself with faulty philosophy. Derp

So the moral of the story is.... Lose a limb, break a neck, or incur some brain damage and then use the subjective reality argument to escape your fate.
Sounds like he didn't accept objective experience, or didn't believe objective experience was real.

What I stated above was a critique of that belief.
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04-11-2012, 09:01 AM
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(03-11-2012 10:54 PM)I and I Wrote:  Is subject and object two different ideas?
Oh, ya mean ARE subject and object two different ideas ?
Why would one read any further than the first sentence ? Weeping
Here we have someone ... oh forget it.

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04-11-2012, 12:01 PM
RE: Subjective and Objective
You should read some David Hume!

A treatise of human nature and his other works.

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