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03-08-2017, 11:51 AM
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"A Sydney-born terrorism plot to place a bomb on a passenger plane was dangerously close to being carried out before it was unwittingly thwarted at an airline check-in counter.

New details about the attempt to bring down the commercial flight out of Sydney provides a chilling insight into how close Islamic State-inspired terrorists allegedly came to executing the mass-casualty attack...

Fairfax Media [a Melbourne daily newspaper] understands an improvised device reached Sydney Airport's international terminal after a passenger packed it inside a piece of luggage. The passenger was queried about the weight of the luggage at the check-in counter and learnt it was too heavy. The bag was never checked in or carried on the plane...

Authorities uncovered this after Khaled Merhi, Khaled Khayat and Mahmoud Khayat were arrested in counter-terrorism raids across Sydney [NSW] on Saturday evening..."


—Apparently there'd been an earlier attempt, the week before that also failed after it was detected at the airport, but was not made public in order not to hinder the investigation of this second attempt, which was learned of from ISIS "chatter" picked up by UK and US spy agencies. The plots—described by police as sophisticated and elaborate—were allegedly hatched with help from Islamic State operatives in Syria.

And what a revelation... not. These terrorists are Muslims! Who woulda thunk it? Apparently, they'd all been "sleepers" living in the Sydney suburbs for years, and were related by marriage and their Syrian connections.

One of Khaled Khayat's sons (not yet arrested) studied aviation management at the University of New South Wales. Several photos on his online profile show he socialises with alumni who have gone on to become international pilots, airline managers, airline network analysts and air traffic controllers, so it's not too hard to see where they got their detailed aircraft operational information from.

And now that these terrorist bastards have increased their activities here on my home turf, people wonder why I passionately despise the Islamic religion. And images like this one showing "Australian" Muslim schoolgirls wrapped in our flag, AND using it as a hijab, turn my stomach—as a mature-aged, fifth-generation Aussie with Scottish ancestry.

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And I'm also sick of hearing the tired old refrain that "not all terrorists are Muslims" from the bleeding heart lefties. If that's true, then I'd like to be made aware of any terrorist plots carried out on Australian soil by Catholics, Jews, Anglicans, or Buddhists.

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03-08-2017, 12:10 PM
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(03-08-2017 11:51 AM)SYZ Wrote:  "A Sydney-born terrorism plot to place a bomb on a passenger plane was dangerously close to being carried out before it was unwittingly thwarted at an airline check-in counter.

New details about the attempt to bring down the commercial flight out of Sydney provides a chilling insight into how close Islamic State-inspired terrorists allegedly came to executing the mass-casualty attack...

Fairfax Media [a Melbourne daily newspaper] understands an improvised device reached Sydney Airport's international terminal after a passenger packed it inside a piece of luggage. The passenger was queried about the weight of the luggage at the check-in counter and learnt it was too heavy. The bag was never checked in or carried on the plane...

Authorities uncovered this after Khaled Merhi, Khaled Khayat and Mahmoud Khayat were arrested in counter-terrorism raids across Sydney [NSW] on Saturday evening..."


—Apparently there'd been an earlier attempt, the week before that also failed after it was detected at the airport, but was not made public in order not to hinder the investigation of this second attempt, which was learned of from ISIS "chatter" picked up by UK and US spy agencies. The plots—described by police as sophisticated and elaborate—were allegedly hatched with help from Islamic State operatives in Syria.

And what a revelation... not. These terrorists are Muslims! Who woulda thunk it? Apparently, they'd all been "sleepers" living in the Sydney suburbs for years, and were related by marriage and their Syrian connections.

One of Khaled Khayat's sons (not yet arrested) studied aviation management at the University of New South Wales. Several photos on his online profile show he socialises with alumni who have gone on to become international pilots, airline managers, airline network analysts and air traffic controllers, so it's not too hard to see where they got their detailed aircraft operational information from.

And now that these terrorist bastards have increased their activities here on my home turf, people wonder why I passionately despise the Islamic religion. And images like this one showing "Australian" Muslim schoolgirls wrapped in our flag, AND using it as a hijab, turn my stomach—as a mature-aged, fifth-generation Aussie with Scottish ancestry.

[Image: 2000.jpg?w=620&q=20&auto...b29dae5204]

And I'm also sick of hearing the tired old refrain that "not all terrorists are Muslims" from the bleeding heart lefties. If that's true, then I'd like to be made aware of any terrorist plots carried out on Australian soil by Catholics, Jews, Anglicans, or Buddhists.

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The terrorists should turn your stomach sure. Religiously justified violence should turn your stomach sure, but if you fucking stupidly think it is ok to vilify individuals you have never met, what do you want me to say, because the only thing I will say is "FUCK YOU"!

You stupidly think Islam owns a patent on religiously justified cruelty? In America we've had that in slavery, genocide of native Americans, lynchings and even today attacks on abortion clinics and sickos like Roof who murder blacks in churches.

I am hardly politically correct myself. and if an individual Muslim talks about religious violence, sure, will point out the violence justified in the Koran. But no, I will not lump the likes of Malala in with Bin Ladin.

Hey asshole, you do know at the concert attack there was a Pakistani Muslim taxi driver whom gave 24 girls FREE RIDES HOME, you know why he did that? Because he said "That could have been my daughter.'

The deli shooting in France had a MUSLIM protecting Jews.

I cuss religion out myself. And yes, I do go after Islam too, but what I refuse to do is assume the guilt of the individual before they have done or said anything to make me fear them. Nor do I simply focus on one religion.

Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is not in our labels, but in our evolution. YES Islam in it's current state has huge problems in the middle east as far as far too much theocratic politics. But even in saying that I REFUSE to be inhuman to individuals as individuals whom have yet to say or do anything to cause me concern.

It was not that long ago that Christianity had the same problems with religious violence and oppression. And even with secular law in the west, we still have right wing fundies TODAY still trying to turn back the clock on minority rights.

So unless you personally know those girls as individuals, I would suggest you FUCK OFF.

Attack the claims, not the individuals. Humans have rights regardless of what you think of their claims.

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03-08-2017, 12:13 PM
RE: Sydney Terrorist Airplane Plot: ISIS Bomb Attack Thwarted
Obviously "not all terrorists are Muslims," although clearly in recent decades Islamism and Qutbism have been major motivations for terror worldwide. The 'refrain' that I think is more important to remember is that "not all Muslims are terrorists." In fact, why seeing Muslim girls evidently expressing solidarity with your country in the face of the violence of the extremer sects of their faith would anger you is, I confess, baffling to me.

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03-08-2017, 12:22 PM
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(03-08-2017 12:13 PM)TSG Wrote:  Obviously "not all terrorists are Muslims," although clearly in recent decades Islamism and Qutbism have been major motivations for terror worldwide. The 'refrain' that I think is more important to remember is that "not all Muslims are terrorists." In fact, why seeing Muslim girls evidently expressing solidarity with your country in the face of the violence of the extremer sects of their faith would anger you is, I confess, baffling to me.

Unfortunately and I see this especially with both sides of the Palestien/Israel conflict, is that humans in general when threatened by another group have a hard time seeing the outsider as human, and also have far too much of a tendency to turn to less diplomatic leaders or funders for their side. I hate Bibi for example, but lets face it, Palestine is also widely supported by funding coming from the theocratic states surrounding Israel, maybe not always the government, but certainly sympathizers. Just like America defaults to support of Israel.

It would REALLY help all humans involved on all sides to simply accept the root cause of this, religion itself. No, not saying one can rid any one group off the planet, no, that would be inhuman.

But, Christians and Muslims and Jews all need to start accepting more that religion is a horrible way of conducting political diplomacy precisely because it gets humans to forget the "other" is not really the "other" but the same species.

I am all for blaspheming Islam sure, but not for vilification of individuals you have never met. I will not fear an individual until that individual says or does something to cause me concern.

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03-08-2017, 12:34 PM
RE: Sydney Terrorist Airplane Plot: ISIS Bomb Attack Thwarted
(03-08-2017 12:22 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(03-08-2017 12:13 PM)TSG Wrote:  Obviously "not all terrorists are Muslims," although clearly in recent decades Islamism and Qutbism have been major motivations for terror worldwide. The 'refrain' that I think is more important to remember is that "not all Muslims are terrorists." In fact, why seeing Muslim girls evidently expressing solidarity with your country in the face of the violence of the extremer sects of their faith would anger you is, I confess, baffling to me.

Unfortunately and I see this especially with both sides of the Palestien/Israel conflict, is that humans in general when threatened by another group have a hard time seeing the outsider as human, and also have far too much of a tendency to turn to less diplomatic leaders or funders for their side. I hate Bibi for example, but lets face it, Palestine is also widely supported by funding coming from the theocratic states surrounding Israel, maybe not always the government, but certainly sympathizers. Just like America defaults to support of Israel.

It would REALLY help all humans involved on all sides to simply accept the root cause of this, religion itself. No, not saying one can rid any one group off the planet, no, that would be inhuman.

But, Christians and Muslims and Jews all need to start accepting more that religion is a horrible way of conducting political diplomacy precisely because it gets humans to forget the "other" is not really the "other" but the same species.

I am all for blaspheming Islam sure, but not for vilification of individuals you have never met. I will not fear an individual until that individual says or does something to cause me concern.

Just imagine the conflicts and atrocities that could be averted if the belligerents just took the time to see things from the other side's point of view. It's easy to look at religion as the sole perpetrator of this crime, like the crusaders who sang hymns as they slaughtered the innocent in Jerusalem, or the terrorists who screamed their devotion to their god as they crashed into the World Trade Center -- but simply shrugging and saying "religion did it" doesn't solve anything.

First of all, putting religionists into a different category and viewing individual theists as "the enemy" is the exact thing that one would be accusing religion of doing.

Second, people will make excuses to dehumanize people in any circumstances, not just in religions. Just look at the interment of Japanese-Americans, or ethnic cleansing.

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03-08-2017, 12:46 PM
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(03-08-2017 12:10 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  The terrorists should turn your stomach sure. Religiously justified violence should turn your stomach sure, but if you fucking stupidly think it is ok to vilify individuals you have never met, what do you want me to say, because the only thing I will say is "FUCK YOU"!

Oh dear Brian... you firstly claim that I have no right to vilify individuals I've never met, and then do precisely that when you curse me. Quite funny really—obviously irony is lost on you. Big Grin

Quote:You stupidly think Islam owns a patent on religiously justified cruelty? In America we've had that in slavery, genocide of native Americans, lynchings and even today attacks on abortion clinics and sickos like Roof who murder blacks in churches.

Each of these examples is a straw man. Sorry mate, but you need to try harder. I'm not talking about America in case you hadn't noticed LOL. And you need to Google "false equivalence" while you're at it.

Quote:So unless you personally know those girls as individuals, I would suggest you FUCK OFF.

I thank you for your well moderated and considered opinion Brian, but without your repetitive gutter language it might have had more impact. And your notion that one must have personally met an individual prior to addressing their ethics or motives is really quite naive. Have you ever met Donald Trump or Kim Jong-un or Bashar al-Assad? I thought not, so I can rest my case.

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03-08-2017, 12:51 PM
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(03-08-2017 11:51 AM)SYZ Wrote:  And I'm also sick of hearing the tired old refrain that "not all terrorists are Muslims" from the bleeding heart lefties. If that's true, then I'd like to be made aware of any terrorist plots carried out on Australian soil by Catholics, Jews, Anglicans, or Buddhists.

Well there's your problem. Australia is not the whole world. Greece, for example, has nothing to fear as far as religious terrorist attacks are concerned, simply because the thousands of Muslims living here or making their way to Europe through here would never endanger their position.

The "bleeding heart lefties" are the terrorists in my country. A matter of perspective I guess?

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03-08-2017, 12:52 PM
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(03-08-2017 11:51 AM)SYZ Wrote:  "A Sydney-born terrorism plot to place a bomb on a passenger plane was dangerously close to being carried out before it was unwittingly thwarted at an airline check-in counter.

New details about the attempt to bring down the commercial flight out of Sydney provides a chilling insight into how close Islamic State-inspired terrorists allegedly came to executing the mass-casualty attack...

Fairfax Media [a Melbourne daily newspaper] understands an improvised device reached Sydney Airport's international terminal after a passenger packed it inside a piece of luggage. The passenger was queried about the weight of the luggage at the check-in counter and learnt it was too heavy. The bag was never checked in or carried on the plane...

Authorities uncovered this after Khaled Merhi, Khaled Khayat and Mahmoud Khayat were arrested in counter-terrorism raids across Sydney [NSW] on Saturday evening..."


—Apparently there'd been an earlier attempt, the week before that also failed after it was detected at the airport, but was not made public in order not to hinder the investigation of this second attempt, which was learned of from ISIS "chatter" picked up by UK and US spy agencies. The plots—described by police as sophisticated and elaborate—were allegedly hatched with help from Islamic State operatives in Syria.

And what a revelation... not. These terrorists are Muslims! Who woulda thunk it? Apparently, they'd all been "sleepers" living in the Sydney suburbs for years, and were related by marriage and their Syrian connections.

One of Khaled Khayat's sons (not yet arrested) studied aviation management at the University of New South Wales. Several photos on his online profile show he socialises with alumni who have gone on to become international pilots, airline managers, airline network analysts and air traffic controllers, so it's not too hard to see where they got their detailed aircraft operational information from.

And now that these terrorist bastards have increased their activities here on my home turf, people wonder why I passionately despise the Islamic religion. And images like this one showing "Australian" Muslim schoolgirls wrapped in our flag, AND using it as a hijab, turn my stomach—as a mature-aged, fifth-generation Aussie with Scottish ancestry.

[Image: 2000.jpg?w=620&q=20&auto...b29dae5204]

And I'm also sick of hearing the tired old refrain that "not all terrorists are Muslims" from the bleeding heart lefties. If that's true, then I'd like to be made aware of any terrorist plots carried out on Australian soil by Catholics, Jews, Anglicans, or Buddhists.

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Seems to me the aussies are doing a great job.

There are millions of muslims that don't adhere to the belief. I think we as a people should be doing more to ensure their safety, rather than painting all with the same broad brush stroke.

I condemn any religious zealotry, regardless. People who make laws based on their religious belief are every bit as dangerous. The trip to extremism is often shorter than most realize. It's the fear we need to change.


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03-08-2017, 01:07 PM
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Syz, do you consider reverence for the Aussie flag more important than a statement of solidarity or allegiance to the nation itself?

I'm an American who has no problem, not a one, with those folks here who would burn the flag of our nation. The reason is because the principles that that flag represents are much more important than the flag itself.

The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. The flag is not the nation, and it is not the nation's founding principles.

I would encourage those young ladies to continue on with folding themselves into your society. Ostracizing them over irrational reverence for a symbol only serves to push them back into the religion you despise.
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03-08-2017, 01:24 PM
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(03-08-2017 12:46 PM)SYZ Wrote:  
(03-08-2017 12:10 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  The terrorists should turn your stomach sure. Religiously justified violence should turn your stomach sure, but if you fucking stupidly think it is ok to vilify individuals you have never met, what do you want me to say, because the only thing I will say is "FUCK YOU"!

Oh dear Brian... you firstly claim that I have no right to vilify individuals I've never met, and then do precisely that when you curse me. Quite funny really—obviously irony is lost on you. Big Grin

Quote:You stupidly think Islam owns a patent on religiously justified cruelty? In America we've had that in slavery, genocide of native Americans, lynchings and even today attacks on abortion clinics and sickos like Roof who murder blacks in churches.

Each of these examples is a straw man. Sorry mate, but you need to try harder. I'm not talking about America in case you hadn't noticed LOL. And you need to Google "false equivalence" while you're at it.

Quote:So unless you personally know those girls as individuals, I would suggest you FUCK OFF.

I thank you for your well moderated and considered opinion Brian, but without your repetitive gutter language it might have had more impact. And your notion that one must have personally met an individual prior to addressing their ethics or motives is really quite naive. Have you ever met Donald Trump or Kim Jong-un or Bashar al-Assad? I thought not, so I can rest my case.

QUOTE ME exactly where I vilified anyone. EXACT WORDS EXACT QUOTE.

My "gutter language"? Really, you think I give one fuck what you think of my word choices? Your words are what get innocent people hurt, not me cussing you out for doing such.

Now you sound exactly like every right wing conservative of any religion. When called out on your bullshit, you try to equate merely getting offended as being the same as advocating harm of others. I don't want you dead simply because I think you are being a fucking asshole. If you think that is the same as what you just posted you are fucking full of shit.

If your attitude its to say "Keep em all out, even before the individual has done anything wrong", sorry, fuck you.

Or does it piss you off that I can blaspheme and ridicule without being a fear mongering demagogue like you just acted like in your post.

All 7 billion of us are human beings. I am sorry that bothers you, but we are. And only ignorant fuck cant tell the difference between human rights and the separate issue of claims.

You didn't post a picture of men in arms, you didn't point out Koran verses, you posted a picture of unarmed civilians. You don't have to like what those girls believe, some of the stuff they may believe I don't like either. And sure, lots of violence does get justified by Islam. But don't you fucking pretend they invented it, or own the sole patent on it, or the girls in that particular picture deserves automatic condemnation.

Again asshole, the west has seen its own history of religious based violence not based on the Koran, but the bible. If the worst you get out of me is "don't be a fucking asshole" you are having a good day.

NOW READ AND REPEAT UNTIL YOU GET IT.

1. It most certainly IS OK to criticize religion even blaspheme religion. I do it too.

2. IT IS NOT OK in doing that to vilify non violent people even if others in their ranks do get violent. Don't fucking tell me that picture indicates to you that those girls will get violent or personally want you dead. I doubt that very seriously.

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