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31-08-2013, 09:31 PM
RE: Syria-What should be done?
(31-08-2013 09:26 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  I was being an ass with the moral implications Tongue
But if those don't play a role, and we are simply looking to eliminate a problem, then a few well placed nuclear strikes should take care of it! That's an extreme, obviously, but nothing we do will stop "innocents" from being killed! As long as someone I care about isn't one of them I can't say I truly care, but there are always people who say attack, then berate the attackers for not doing it "cleanly".
So if you say attack, be prepared to hear about civilian deaths!

The problem from where I stand is that this whole situation is being pitched at us from a "moral" standpoint. Like the US has ever actually given a shit about morality when it comes to fucking up other countries.

And now we find ourselves in the frying pan.

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31-08-2013, 09:41 PM
RE: Syria-What should be done?
(31-08-2013 09:31 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(31-08-2013 09:26 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  I was being an ass with the moral implications Tongue
But if those don't play a role, and we are simply looking to eliminate a problem, then a few well placed nuclear strikes should take care of it! That's an extreme, obviously, but nothing we do will stop "innocents" from being killed! As long as someone I care about isn't one of them I can't say I truly care, but there are always people who say attack, then berate the attackers for not doing it "cleanly".
So if you say attack, be prepared to hear about civilian deaths!

The problem from where I stand is that this whole situation is being pitched at us from a "moral" standpoint. Like the US has ever actually given a shit about morality when it comes to fucking up other countries.

And now we find ourselves in the frying pan.

The question remains. What would you do about it if you were in power?
I'm glad I'm not in power!

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31-08-2013, 09:44 PM
RE: Syria-What should be done?
(31-08-2013 09:41 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  The question remains. What would you do about it if you were in power?
I'm glad I'm not in power!

Yes, the question remains.....

I ain't got a fucking clue, dude. No

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31-08-2013, 11:19 PM
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What if the problem isn't "what should we do"? What if the problem is what we already are doing, funding and arming terrorists in Syria.

What if we should do less and not more?
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31-08-2013, 11:26 PM
RE: Syria-What should be done?
(31-08-2013 11:19 PM)I and I Wrote:  What if the problem isn't "what should we do"? What if the problem is what we already are doing, funding and arming terrorists in Syria.

What if we should do less and not more?

The obvious answer to the "should" question is obvious. The real question now is what happens if we do either?

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01-09-2013, 08:43 AM
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This seems like a good summary.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/the-cas...ria,33690/

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01-09-2013, 08:59 AM
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(31-08-2013 09:31 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  The problem from where I stand is that this whole situation is being pitched at us from a "moral" standpoint. Like the US has ever actually given a shit about morality when it comes to fucking up other countries.

And now we find ourselves in the frying pan.

Yeah...I mean you don't hear about the 900,000 people in Vietnam who the United States killed and crippled with chemical weapons, do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

When the Arabs use Chemical Weapons - it's called a War Crime. When the USA uses Chemical Weapons - it's called "Freedom Fighting".
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01-09-2013, 09:17 AM
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(01-09-2013 08:59 AM)Julius Wrote:  
(31-08-2013 09:31 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  The problem from where I stand is that this whole situation is being pitched at us from a "moral" standpoint. Like the US has ever actually given a shit about morality when it comes to fucking up other countries.

And now we find ourselves in the frying pan.

Yeah...I mean you don't hear about the 900,000 people in Vietnam who the United States killed and crippled with chemical weapons, do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

When the Arabs use Chemical Weapons - it's called a War Crime. When the USA uses Chemical Weapons - it's called "Freedom Fighting".




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01-09-2013, 09:51 AM
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I look at it like this.
The United States has no moral authority to do anything in the region or to Assad. We are the only country to use Atomic weapons. We gave weapons and money to both Iran and Iraq. We have used weapons of mass destruction. We have authorized our president and any president after him to kill any American citizen suspected of terrorism. We fight aggressive preemptive wars.
Here is an interesting look at some interventions by America.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz...tions.html

I think it is time to push for a Pax Americana and we need to turn our swords into plowshares.

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01-09-2013, 10:46 AM
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(01-09-2013 08:59 AM)Julius Wrote:  Yeah...I mean you don't hear about the 900,000 people in Vietnam who the United States killed and crippled with chemical weapons, do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

When the Arabs use Chemical Weapons - it's called a War Crime. When the USA uses Chemical Weapons - it's called "Freedom Fighting".

Those data are incredibly unreliable. That's the figure given by the Vietnamese government; I hardly think they're the ones to be impartial...

Agent Orange (and the other rainbow concoctions) weren't chemical weapons. That is to say, they weren't chemicals whose purpose was to kill or injure. We (Canada) used it frequently for civilian purposes (as did the Americans!). Until the early '70s nobody knew it was toxic; once it was shown to be so the military stopped using it. Domestic civilian use continued for years afterwards, mind...

Something which turned out to be toxic isn't the same as something designed to be toxic.

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