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18-09-2015, 05:25 AM
RE: Syrian refugees attack gay people in Germany.
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(18-09-2015 03:45 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Nuke the fuckers and be done with it!

I love you bro, but genocide by explosions is not the answer.

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18-09-2015, 07:54 AM (This post was last modified: 18-09-2015 07:57 AM by epronovost.)
RE: Syrian refugees attack gay people in Germany.
@Slowminded

Considering that I live in the country with the one of the highest immigration rate in the world (Canada), I call bullshit on the analysis of your statistics. This would mean that Swedish immigrant would be more violent than Canadian immigrant by a large margin considering they are much less numerous both in raw numbers (1 000 000 vs 7 000 000) and in proportion (15% vs 22%). Considering the country of origin of those immigrant being the same, we should observe that correlation in all country which isn't the case. The game changer when it comes to rape is men and women denouncing them and pressing charges despite the social stigma imposed on the victims. It's also good to know that the definition of rape/sexual assault/sexual misconduct are much more broad in Sweden than Canada or USA for example. Furthermore, Swedish authority have funded very generously organisations to help victims of rape denounce their rapists and trained special units of investigator in that domain to help carry those cases. It’s also good to note that statistic of rape in Sweden, unlike the rest of the world, account for their rape numbers on the basis of the assault not the victim. This means that a women raped 6 times by her husband count for six rape in their statistics while in Canada or USA it would represent a single rape case. We count victims, they count crimes. All this largely explain their larger stats. Immigration is a boogeyman of extreme right groups, who, ironically are far from being friendly towards homosexual and women who represent a crippling majority of rape victims.
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18-09-2015, 08:11 AM
RE: Syrian refugees attack gay people in Germany.
A very good friend, a theologian atheist, lives in Denmark and constantly reports Islamic violence to me. indeed I have heard it over the phone.

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18-09-2015, 08:15 AM
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(18-09-2015 04:36 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(18-09-2015 04:27 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Were those rapes cause by outsiders?

They say they are.

Michael Hess, a local politician from Sweden Democrat Party, encouraged Swedish journalists to get acquainted with Islam's view of women, in connection with the many rapes that took place in Cairo's Tahrir Square during the "Arab Spring". Hess wrote, "When will you journalists realize that it is deeply rooted in Islam's culture to rape and brutalize women who refuse to comply with Islamic teachings. There is a strong connection between rapes in Sweden and the number of immigrants from MENA-countries [Middle East and North Africa]."


One of the worst cases occurred in 2012, when a 30-year old woman was raped by eight men in a housing project for asylum seekers, in the small town of Mariannelund. The woman was an acquaintance of a man from Afghanistan who had lived in Sweden for a number of years. He invited her to go out with him. She obliged. The Afghan man took her to a refugee housing project and left her defenseless. During the night, she was raped repeatedly by the asylum seekers and when her "friend" returned, he raped her too. The following morning she managed to call the police. Sweden's public prosecutor has called the incident "the worst crime of rape in Swedish criminal history."

My understanding, and I'd have to check this further, is that in Sweden each rape incident is reported as one rape. This may not make sense but in the US if a woman is raped a number of times by one man over a period of, say a week, it's reported as one rape. The prosecutors in a trial will zero in on one rape incident that is the most easily proven to get a conviction from a jury, so our rape count isn't as high as Sweden's but the numbers are misleading.

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18-09-2015, 09:49 AM
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(18-09-2015 07:54 AM)epronovost Wrote:  @Slowminded

Considering that I live in the country with the one of the highest immigration rate in the world (Canada), I call bullshit on the analysis of your statistics. This would mean that Swedish immigrant would be more violent than Canadian immigrant by a large margin considering they are much less numerous both in raw numbers (1 000 000 vs 7 000 000) and in proportion (15% vs 22%). Considering the country of origin of those immigrant being the same, we should observe that correlation in all country which isn't the case. The game changer when it comes to rape is men and women denouncing them and pressing charges despite the social stigma imposed on the victims. It's also good to know that the definition of rape/sexual assault/sexual misconduct are much more broad in Sweden than Canada or USA for example. Furthermore, Swedish authority have funded very generously organisations to help victims of rape denounce their rapists and trained special units of investigator in that domain to help carry those cases. It’s also good to note that statistic of rape in Sweden, unlike the rest of the world, account for their rape numbers on the basis of the assault not the victim. This means that a women raped 6 times by her husband count for six rape in their statistics while in Canada or USA it would represent a single rape case. We count victims, they count crimes. All this largely explain their larger stats. Immigration is a boogeyman of extreme right groups, who, ironically are far from being friendly towards homosexual and women who represent a crippling majority of rape victims.

These are UN statistics , not mine.

Btw, countries of origin of immigrants in Sweden in and in Canada are not the same, not even close. Your immigrants in Canada are Croatians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Russians, Asian.., much fewer from middle east then in Sweden.

Try putting aside your multicultural tolerance and political correctness at any cost just for a second, and maybe you will see a different picture. Maybe, maybe not.
Maybe my judgement is colored by the fact that I know many muslims, mostly from serving in the army with them and in the part of the country with a large population of them and am familiar with their attitude toward women so I am inclined to believe this because it fits my experience perfectly, who knows?

This is what happened in 2013 in Novi Sad, Serbia
This guy turned him self in after beating and raping a 19 year old girl ,believing he did nothing wrong.

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Shahin H. (34) from the village Kožlje near Novi Pazar admitted that on September 19 year-old girl raped in Novi Sad. He surrendered to police Wednesday night after the media published a photo of him, and the inspectors said that for him it was not "rape" because it is "the girl looked up, it was a sign that they want sex!"

Shahin H. (34) from the village Kožlje near Novi Pazar said that "the Muslims practice to a girl who resists banging slaps and she has to agree to have sex"

Atta girl's fateful night with girlfriends celebrated the diploma of one of them.
- Took advantage of a moment when the friends moved away and the girl was alone. As soon as he entered the dark street, several times he hit her. To abusing her and that she has caused numerous injuries, was confirmed by medical examinations - says the source of Kurir.


I know that you gonna say that this is just one isolated case , and that it proves nothing ant not all of them are like that, but believe me or not , this IS how they think.

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18-09-2015, 09:56 AM
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(18-09-2015 04:36 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(18-09-2015 04:27 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Were those rapes cause by outsiders?

They say they are.

Michael Hess, a local politician from Sweden Democrat Party, encouraged Swedish journalists to get acquainted with Islam's view of women, in connection with the many rapes that took place in Cairo's Tahrir Square during the "Arab Spring". Hess wrote, "When will you journalists realize that it is deeply rooted in Islam's culture to rape and brutalize women who refuse to comply with Islamic teachings. There is a strong connection between rapes in Sweden and the number of immigrants from MENA-countries [Middle East and North Africa]."


One of the worst cases occurred in 2012, when a 30-year old woman was raped by eight men in a housing project for asylum seekers, in the small town of Mariannelund. The woman was an acquaintance of a man from Afghanistan who had lived in Sweden for a number of years. He invited her to go out with him. She obliged. The Afghan man took her to a refugee housing project and left her defenseless. During the night, she was raped repeatedly by the asylum seekers and when her "friend" returned, he raped her too. The following morning she managed to call the police. Sweden's public prosecutor has called the incident "the worst crime of rape in Swedish criminal history."

Where "they" is a single man from a right-wing anti-immigrant political party. So... not one of the statisticians who compiled the actual data.
(one anecdote doesn't quite make it as actual evidence)

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18-09-2015, 10:00 AM
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(18-09-2015 09:56 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Where "they" is a single man from a right-wing anti-immigrant political party.
correction: anti-ILLEGAL immigrant political party. this party is for LEGAL immigrants.

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18-09-2015, 10:02 AM
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(18-09-2015 09:49 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  Btw, countries of origin of immigrants in Sweden in and in Canada are not the same, not even close. Your immigrants in Canada are Croatians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Russians, Asian.., much fewer from middle east then in Sweden.

Do you know that, or are you asserting it?

There are well over five hundred thousand Canadians of Arab or West Asian background - this is several times more than there are south Slavs.
(but that's just what Statscan has to say, and what do they know?)

(18-09-2015 09:49 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  I know that you gonna say that this is just one isolated case , and that it proves nothing ant not all of them are like that, but believe me or not , this IS how they think.

At least you admit that it's feels over facts...

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18-09-2015, 10:04 AM
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(18-09-2015 10:00 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(18-09-2015 09:56 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Where "they" is a single man from a right-wing anti-immigrant political party.
correction: anti-ILLEGAL immigrant political party. this party is for LEGAL immigrants.

Unsurprisingly, you're wrong about this. They advocate dramatically scaling back most forms of currently legal immigration as well as refugee and asylum claims.

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18-09-2015, 10:16 AM (This post was last modified: 18-09-2015 10:28 AM by epronovost.)
RE: Syrian refugees attack gay people in Germany.
(18-09-2015 09:49 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(18-09-2015 07:54 AM)epronovost Wrote:  @Slowminded

Considering that I live in the country with the one of the highest immigration rate in the world (Canada), I call bullshit on the analysis of your statistics. This would mean that Swedish immigrant would be more violent than Canadian immigrant by a large margin considering they are much less numerous both in raw numbers (1 000 000 vs 7 000 000) and in proportion (15% vs 22%). Considering the country of origin of those immigrant being the same, we should observe that correlation in all country which isn't the case. The game changer when it comes to rape is men and women denouncing them and pressing charges despite the social stigma imposed on the victims. It's also good to know that the definition of rape/sexual assault/sexual misconduct are much more broad in Sweden than Canada or USA for example. Furthermore, Swedish authority have funded very generously organisations to help victims of rape denounce their rapists and trained special units of investigator in that domain to help carry those cases. It’s also good to note that statistic of rape in Sweden, unlike the rest of the world, account for their rape numbers on the basis of the assault not the victim. This means that a women raped 6 times by her husband count for six rape in their statistics while in Canada or USA it would represent a single rape case. We count victims, they count crimes. All this largely explain their larger stats. Immigration is a boogeyman of extreme right groups, who, ironically are far from being friendly towards homosexual and women who represent a crippling majority of rape victims.

These are UN statistics , not mine.

Btw, countries of origin of immigrants in Sweden in and in Canada are not the same, not even close. Your immigrants in Canada are Croatians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Russians, Asian.., much fewer from middle east then in Sweden.

Try putting aside your multicultural tolerance and political correctness at any cost just for a second, and maybe you will see a different picture. Maybe, maybe not.
Maybe my judgement is colored by the fact that I know many muslims, mostly from serving in the army with them and in the part of the country with a large population of them and am familiar with their attitude toward women so I am inclined to believe this because it fits my experience perfectly, who knows?

This is what happened in 2013 in Novi Sad, Serbia
This guy turned him self in after beating and raping a 19 year old girl ,believing he did nothing wrong.

Link

Google translated

Shahin H. (34) from the village Kožlje near Novi Pazar admitted that on September 19 year-old girl raped in Novi Sad. He surrendered to police Wednesday night after the media published a photo of him, and the inspectors said that for him it was not "rape" because it is "the girl looked up, it was a sign that they want sex!"

Shahin H. (34) from the village Kožlje near Novi Pazar said that "the Muslims practice to a girl who resists banging slaps and she has to agree to have sex"

Atta girl's fateful night with girlfriends celebrated the diploma of one of them.
- Took advantage of a moment when the friends moved away and the girl was alone. As soon as he entered the dark street, several times he hit her. To abusing her and that she has caused numerous injuries, was confirmed by medical examinations - says the source of Kurir.


I know that you gonna say that this is just one isolated case , and that it proves nothing ant not all of them are like that, but believe me or not , this IS how they think.

Actually, I am from Quebec and we have a special status for immigration because of cultural status. Most of our most recent immigrant are from Algeria and Morocco because they speak French. We also have a lot of Lebanese and Syrians for the same reason. Both country had strong ties with the French governments before WWII and most of their elite class spoke French. Eastern European mostly immigrate in the more western provinces.

From my own personal experience with Muslim in a western country, and I do have a lot since I am a teacher in a public school and a solid third of my students are from Muslim families, they are frequently socially conservative when it comes to women, very sexist and disrespect them, but they aren't much more violent than any other marginalised group in our society. Social isolation, mistrust, poverty and a bit of racism is responsible for criminality not ethnicity, religion or culture. Poor socialisation and little sexual education lead men and women to misunderstand simple concept like consensual sex or even live a healthy relationship. Men of all color and background presented the same excuse of: «She ask for it. I didn't do anything wrong!» when confronted by the police on a rape case. In fact, many rapists have no idea they were raping someone at the moment of their crime. Lack of education and simple stupidity can produce horrible results. The poor social penetration of women’s rights in marginalised communities is an important factor. Very few feminist groups address themselves directly to racialized groups. Womanists are a good example of one of those and they do share similarities with several other NPO working in India. Breaking their marginalisation is the only way to improve the situation. Demonising them is counter-productive and insulting.
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