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18-09-2015, 08:08 PM
RE: Syrian refugees attack gay people in Germany.
(18-09-2015 04:52 PM)Slowminded Wrote:  You do excuse it and tolerate it by downplaying it, by not acknowledging it for what it really is.
Reminds me of this
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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18-09-2015, 08:16 PM (This post was last modified: 18-09-2015 08:22 PM by Thumpalumpacus.)
RE: Syrian refugees attack gay people in Germany.
Never argued that Islam wasn't violent. Your screed is swatting at a straw man if that is its purpose. I'm on my phone at work right now, so I cannot vet your sources, and therefore cannot comment on them right now.

As for your alleged expertise, I'm unimpressed, having lived in both Iran and Saudi Arabia. The latter certainly seemed like a more violent society, the former not nearly so much.
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18-09-2015, 08:18 PM
RE: Syrian refugees attack gay people in Germany.
@slowminded

In my opinion, this very little and mostly for show, but it still meets your prerequiste. I found that information on wikipedia. They do consider human rights activist has terrorist of the same ilk than Al-Qaeda. So it's not to brilliant for them. They did tried al-Qaeda agents and supporters. Has the saying goes, one step foward to steps back.

The Specialized Criminal Court (SCC) (Arabic: المحكمة الجزائية المتخصصة‎) is a non-Sharia court created in Saudi Arabia in 2008 that tries suspected terrorists and human rights activists On 26 June 2011, the court started trials of 85 people suspected of being involved in Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and the 2003 Riyadh compound bombings and in September 2011 another 41 al-Qaeda suspects appeared in the court. In the same year, the court held trial sessions of human rights activists, including co-founder Mohammed Saleh al-Bejadi of the Saudi Civil and Political Rights Association (ACPRA) and Mubarak Zu'air, a lawyer for long-term prisoners, and Khaled al-Johani, who spoke to BBC Arabic Television at a protest in Riyadh, thus becoming known as "the bravest man in Saudi Arabia". The court convicted 16 of the human rights activists to sentences of 5–30 years' imprisonment on 22 November 2011.
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18-09-2015, 09:22 PM
RE: Syrian refugees attack gay people in Germany.
(18-09-2015 03:17 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  There is counter cultures and sub-cultures to this


Yeah, with their heads seperated from their shoulders.

Quote:and it's nearly impossible for any culture of a range in size to not have such things.

And which other culture in the world has a theocratic totalitarian movement leading it`s political and social structures?

Quote:You can say many of their counter-culture desires are mainly just reaching out to whatever the hell they want to define "western" culture as. It still is existent.

What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

Quote:If you rail about how the problem is the culture of superstition . . . and so forth, to then rail these people is point X is a point to you saying the culture is the issue.

Because it is the main iusse.

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18-09-2015, 09:32 PM
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(18-09-2015 03:30 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Thanks for being so polite!

I love you too, sweetheart.

Get fucked!


Quote:Man, I wish I could use the actions of thousands to judge the character of millions.

You can. To suggest otherwise is to suggest that they are infantile morons with no understanding of the consequences of their actions.

Quote:The world would be so much simpler!

No it wouldnt.



Quote:Do you go outside raving screed like that? I hope not. I'd hate to see you arrested. No one has a monopoly on being reactionary, champ. You amply and ironically demonstrate that right here.

A good friday night out isnt complete without getting arrested. And were exactly am I being "reactionary"??? Do you even know what that word means? Dont you think that rapping a woman into a black carpet and flogging her with a hardwood kane until the skin dies of a peels itself from the sore flesh, if she refuses to wear the carpet - is a thousand times more reactionary than calling that practice out as barbaric and reactionary?

Quote:Did I really excuse and tolerate such behaviour? Shucks. I certainly can't find anything in my posts which did so. Please let me know where that happened, would you? I'd appreciate it!

The usual pathetic whimpering of "Oh those are just the bad ones", "Oh muslim women like to wear a carpet", "Oh muslims just need help (are the the white mans burden now?)", "muslims are just being held back", "muslims will reform soon", "muslims arent that bad", that whimpering is just as bad as making excuses for the inherint savagry of the islamic cult of death.
Quote:Of course, if there were no counter-culture, then there would be none of those very same non-muslims, gays, lesbians, free thinkers, atheists, artists, and democrats you claim are persecuted


What you mean all 5 out of 1 500 000 000? Or just 3 of them? Or one in particluar?

At best you will find reason and free thought amongst 1 out of 100 000 muslims.

Quote:- you can't have it both ways.


I aint.

Quote:Perhaps leave a bit of space between those statements next time? It's pretty obviously bullshit when they're explicitly contradictory and literally back to back.

Are you done building that shit stained ivory tower of yours on the swampy ground of a contradiction that didnt even happen? It collapsed 3 statements ago.

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18-09-2015, 09:41 PM
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(18-09-2015 09:22 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
(18-09-2015 03:17 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  There is counter cultures and sub-cultures to this


Yeah, with their heads seperated from their shoulders.

Quote:and it's nearly impossible for any culture of a range in size to not have such things.

And which other culture in the world has a theocratic totalitarian movement leading it`s political and social structures?

Quote:You can say many of their counter-culture desires are mainly just reaching out to whatever the hell they want to define "western" culture as. It still is existent.

What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

Quote:If you rail about how the problem is the culture of superstition . . . and so forth, to then rail these people is point X is a point to you saying the culture is the issue.

Because it is the main iusse.

Counter & sub cultures there are hardly all devastated and executed. They exist and struggle just like sub cultures in nations like the US or European nations do that also hardly get political say in a significant manner.

What the "main Issue" is happens to be something woefully subjective. It's hardly new or shocking. But again rather disappointing when you can see someone grasp how there is no definitive truth or mattering factor to the case of large scale circumstances but then proclaim there is some main issue more than other issues in these situations. That's based on merely one value or caring about certain values over other potential values.

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18-09-2015, 09:48 PM
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(18-09-2015 09:41 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Counter & sub cultures there are hardly all devastated and executed.

Yes they are. Go show me one!

Quote:They exist and struggle just like sub cultures in nations like the US or European nations do that also hardly get political say in a significant manner.

We are not talking about "sub cultures" we are talking about a political cultural movement that rejects theocratic principles! Not something like the 1968 movement, no I am talking about something like the 18th century enlightenment! Such a thing has never happend anywhere within the islamic world.
Quote:What the "main Issue" is happens to be something woefully subjective. It's hardly new or shocking. But again rather disappointing when you can see someone grasp how there is no definitive truth or mattering factor to the case of large scale circumstances but then proclaim there is some main issue more than other issues in these situations. That's based on merely one value or caring about certain values over other potential values.

What??? Would you mind making sence rather than trying to find elaborate ways to talk arround the subject?

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18-09-2015, 09:59 PM (This post was last modified: 18-09-2015 10:05 PM by ClydeLee.)
RE: Syrian refugees attack gay people in Germany.
(18-09-2015 09:48 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
(18-09-2015 09:41 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Counter & sub cultures there are hardly all devastated and executed.

Yes they are. Go show me one!

Quote:They exist and struggle just like sub cultures in nations like the US or European nations do that also hardly get political say in a significant manner.

We are not talking about "sub cultures" we are talking about a political cultural movement that rejects theocratic principles! Not something like the 1968 movement, no I am talking about something like the 18th century enlightenment! Such a thing has never happend anywhere within the islamic world.
Quote:What the "main Issue" is happens to be something woefully subjective. It's hardly new or shocking. But again rather disappointing when you can see someone grasp how there is no definitive truth or mattering factor to the case of large scale circumstances but then proclaim there is some main issue more than other issues in these situations. That's based on merely one value or caring about certain values over other potential values.

What??? Would you mind making sence rather than trying to find elaborate ways to talk arround the subject?

The attempted revolutionary backdrops of many younger attempted collations, such as in Egypt. It didn't take hold with such a culture because it is an under powered sub culture within these nations that will be curbed because the powerful and militaristic are able to take control with swift action. That's going to happen when that power is maintained and consistent. There is various attempted movements that will not all take hold with immense fury every time.

You literally said one phrase, counter culture. Now you've spun it to, we're not talking about that, we're talking about something significantly more than that. You are talking about something in your head apparently. That isn't actually being stated by words you had used. Though that sort of thing did actually happen within the Muslim world around 1000. Though being attacked from all sides of the Mongols & Christians regulated them back into their ritualistic nonsense.

It's not talking around the subject. Because it's your proclaimed main issue doesn't mean it's everyone else's perceived main issue.

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18-09-2015, 10:03 PM
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(18-09-2015 09:59 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  The attempted revolutionary backdrops of many younger attempted collations, such as in Egypt. It didn't take hold with such a culture because it is an under powered sub culture within these nations that will be curbed because the powerful and militaristic are able to take control with swift action. That's going to happen when that power is maintained and consistent.

Hence, Egypt is a backwards dump just like the rest of the islamic world.

Quote:You literally said one phrase, counter culture. Now you've spun it to, we're not talking about that, we're talking about something significantly more than that. You are talking about something in your head apparently. That isn't actually being stated by words you had used.

Nope. i said there is no counter culture. And because of the lack thereof, the current islamic culture cant be allowed into Europe through immigrants.

Quote:It's not talking around the subject. Because it's your proclaimed main issue doesn't mean it's everyone else's perceived main issue.

Oh please enlighten me. How am i wrong about opposing opening doors to people carrying a backwards theocratic fascist culture and not seeing another issue with this?

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18-09-2015, 10:16 PM
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(18-09-2015 10:03 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
(18-09-2015 09:59 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  The attempted revolutionary backdrops of many younger attempted collations, such as in Egypt. It didn't take hold with such a culture because it is an under powered sub culture within these nations that will be curbed because the powerful and militaristic are able to take control with swift action. That's going to happen when that power is maintained and consistent.

Hence, Egypt is a backwards dump just like the rest of the islamic world.

Quote:You literally said one phrase, counter culture. Now you've spun it to, we're not talking about that, we're talking about something significantly more than that. You are talking about something in your head apparently. That isn't actually being stated by words you had used.

Nope. i said there is no counter culture. And because of the lack thereof, the current islamic culture cant be allowed into Europe through immigrants.

Not sure what nope is too. The point is you didn't really define in the then more elaborate manner what you proclaim by counter culture. Though I would disagree by the various conversations, articles, and public topics I've seen of both talking about Muslim desire to connect to an Islamic-American or Islamic-European culture. These are things that probably don't exist outside of certain areas or city realms already existing in the nations. Though they exist and have happened in Austin and I've known them happening around southern Chicago where there are high pockets of Palestinian populations. Though they often go back across the sea and desire speaking in the same manners in places they can there.

Quote:
Quote:It's not talking around the subject. Because it's your proclaimed main issue doesn't mean it's everyone else's perceived main issue.

Oh please enlighten me. How am i wrong about opposing opening doors to people carrying a backwards theocratic fascist culture and not seeing another issue with this?

Did I say that now? I'm not sure where or what causes certain types of conclusions in these topics.

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