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09-02-2014, 11:29 AM
T-rex Blood?
[Image: Tyrannosaurus_rex.gif] Ever get tired of the soft tissue claim? I know I am as it has become common in my life recently. But what if I told you that you can use this against them in a discussion? Well you actually can. All you need to bring up is the protein test used on it reveled that it was similar to birds. You should also attack the fact that the blood had to be demineralized in a solution. Lets get into each of these claims one by one.

First off is the proteins of the dinosaurs and birds. This is the part creationist don't tell you. As they parade this claim around, they would stop if you show them that the proteins in the blood match that of birds. This was done when Mary H. Schweitzer, she exposed the osteocytes of the T-rex, another dinosaur named Brachylophosaurus canadensis and an Ostrich to an anti body. They all reacted the same way, which was to be expected if birds descended from dinosaurs and still are dinosaurs. [Image: DNA-Assay.jpg] Of course creationist aren't going to let this "fly" so of course they are going to try to refute this. The first objection is that all animals blood is the same. Well no. http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/50800/50821/5...od_sm.gif. They will also bring up different proteins, however just tell them that the exposed the anti bodies to a PHEX protein, which is only in birds.[1]

Next ask about the demineralization. As stated, "Removal of the mineral phase reveals transparent, flexible, hollow blood vessels containing small round microstructures that can be expressed from the vessels into solution." This was said in Soft-tissue vessels and cellular preservation in Tyrannosaurus rex.[2] So what 4000 year old dead body needs its meat dissolved to see blood vessels? To add what if this dinosaur died even later? Ask a creationist if they can find what fresh meat needs to be demineralized, and they won't give an answer.

To add a pregnant T-rex was found and was subjected to the same dimineralization acid. It showed that its pregnancy was similar to that of birds.[3]

This is all I've got against this claim. If you have any more I would like for you to tell me. Once you bring up those they will eventually go to the same design same designer argument. They will say that it doesn't matter if they have the same proteins as birds it doesn't prove evolution. Explain bird evolution as a prediction made by darwin before archaeopteryx was even found, and you will be like the T-rex in this gif with the creationist running from reality.Thumbsup


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[1] http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/tpschweitzer-bone/
[2] http://www.rpgroup.caltech.edu/~natsirt/...202005.pdf
[3] http://www.ncsu.edu/news/press_releases/05_06/133.htm

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09-02-2014, 12:31 PM
RE: T-rex Blood?
Umm. I thought dinos had feathers. Seriously.

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09-02-2014, 12:54 PM
RE: T-rex Blood?
(09-02-2014 12:31 PM)Alex_Leonardo Wrote:  Umm. I thought dinos had feathers. Seriously.

Not all but most.

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09-02-2014, 11:30 PM
RE: T-rex Blood?
Although I appreciate the info in the OP, "debating" creationists is a fool's errand. Not only is nothing ever accomplished by it, but the mere fact that you debate it gives the idea social capital. If a debate becomes necessary as part of a lawsuit, well, that's different.

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