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04-12-2014, 03:29 PM
RE: THIS is why Christianity is the RIGHT religion
(04-12-2014 01:04 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 12:24 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Sorry, House, I'll re-restate:

Chas is on one thread saying the Canadian government is secular and on another saying the Nazi government was Christian. This does indeed bring up a "WTF" response, but from me, "What The Flake?"

GERMANY was an overwhelmingly CHRISTIAN nation which allowed National Socialism to take power, and do their deeds.

Your "either-or" scenarios are retarded.

Can you explain, then, why the regime removed all pastors who wouldn't cover their baptismal altars with swastikas and swear allegiance to Hitler to camps? Is that because the REGIME was "overwhelmingly CHRISTIAN"?

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04-12-2014, 09:53 PM
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IIRC nazi germany wasa lot like the U.S. and Canada is now. A secular government with a large Christian population. I do not recall nazi Germany being a theocracy.
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05-12-2014, 12:34 PM
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(04-12-2014 09:53 PM)wazzel Wrote:  IIRC nazi germany wasa lot like the U.S. and Canada is now. A secular government with a large Christian population. I do not recall nazi Germany being a theocracy.

Thank YOU for telling the truth in this arena after hundreds of deflections by others.

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06-12-2014, 09:45 AM
RE: THIS is why Christianity is the RIGHT religion
(05-12-2014 12:34 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 09:53 PM)wazzel Wrote:  IIRC nazi germany wasa lot like the U.S. and Canada is now. A secular government with a large Christian population. I do not recall nazi Germany being a theocracy.

Thank YOU for telling the truth in this arena after hundreds of deflections by others.

No one else said the government of Nazi Germany was Christian, you stupid, lying douche.

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09-12-2014, 11:59 AM
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(06-12-2014 09:45 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(05-12-2014 12:34 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Thank YOU for telling the truth in this arena after hundreds of deflections by others.

No one else said the government of Nazi Germany was Christian, you stupid, lying douche.

Forgive me if I found you implied such without actually stating it, since you insisted the many German Christians allowed the Nazis tyrannical reign as if 1) Hitler was majority elected to Chancellor, which he was not 2) he didn't seize ultimate power in several coups such as the night of the long knives, becoming chancellor after pressuring von Hindenburg, etc. 3) the Christians ALL stood passively by during Nazi atrocities rather than sheltering the weak 4) ...you know as well as I do the Nazis had the WEAPONS.

Christians neither elected Hitler leader nor were "happy" with his reign of terror. Perhaps we can resolve this is true, both of us, before moving to Stalin, whom Wikipedia calls an atheist. Angel

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09-12-2014, 12:03 PM
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(09-12-2014 11:59 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(06-12-2014 09:45 AM)Chas Wrote:  No one else said the government of Nazi Germany was Christian, you stupid, lying douche.

Forgive me if I found you implied such without actually stating it, since you insisted the many German Christians allowed the Nazis tyrannical reign as if 1) Hitler was majority elected to Chancellor, which he was not 2) he didn't seize ultimate power in several coups such as the night of the long knives, becoming chancellor after pressuring von Hindenburg, etc. 3) the Christians ALL stood passively by during Nazi atrocities rather than sheltering the weak 4) ...you know as well as I do the Nazis had the WEAPONS.

Christians neither elected Hitler leader nor were "happy" with his reign of terror. Perhaps we can resolve this is true, both of us, before moving to Stalin, whom Wikipedia calls an atheist. Angel

Keep in mind that stalin was an athiest, but he did not do it because he was an athiest. That is the problem. People havekilled in the name of christianity, but history has yet to show some one to kill in the name of atheism. You are busy trying to say hitler was christian yet it was not his christianity that caused him to be crazy, same with stalin. They did it for political reasons, not because they believe in a good or not. If we are going to talk about crazy christians I would bring up the crusades.

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09-12-2014, 12:19 PM
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(09-12-2014 11:59 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Forgive me if I found you implied such without actually stating it, since you insisted the many German Christians allowed the Nazis tyrannical reign as if 1) Hitler was majority elected to Chancellor, which he was not 2) he didn't seize ultimate power in several coups such as the night of the long knives, becoming chancellor after pressuring von Hindenburg, etc. 3) the Christians ALL stood passively by during Nazi atrocities rather than sheltering the weak 4) ...you know as well as I do the Nazis had the WEAPONS. Christians neither elected Hitler leader nor were "happy" with his reign of terror.

I don't think anybody implied that Christians ALL stood passively by or were supporters of the Nazi regime. Black & White thinking like that is seldom useful.

Do you agree that Hitler wrote and spoke about doing the lord's work by eliminating the Jews? Do you agree that he used religious terminology in many of his speeches in order to engender support for his aims? Do you agree that many of the Nazi officers and party members called themselves Christians and that many believed that persecuting the Jews was in accordance with their religious beliefs?

What Hitler actually believed is impossible to say. His writings indicate belief but that could be calculated for the effect. The point for me is that that effect exists and the anti-Jewish sentiment of the Christian religion was a factor in the events.

Quote: Perhaps we can resolve this is true, both of us, before moving to Stalin, whom Wikipedia calls an atheist. Angel

He was. He also had a lot of other bad ideas and beliefs despite being free of that one.

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10-12-2014, 12:45 PM
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(04-12-2014 03:29 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 01:04 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  GERMANY was an overwhelmingly CHRISTIAN nation which allowed National Socialism to take power, and do their deeds.

Your "either-or" scenarios are retarded.

Can you explain, then, why the regime removed all pastors who wouldn't cover their baptismal altars with swastikas and swear allegiance to Hitler to camps? Is that because the REGIME was "overwhelmingly CHRISTIAN"?

Because they were dissidents obviously.
A group of far-right wing Christians isn't going to like left-wing Christians.
But it's a fact that if you were a Christian and kept your nose clean and toed the party line you'd be just fine.
Other people weren't that lucky.

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10-12-2014, 12:47 PM
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(09-12-2014 11:59 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(06-12-2014 09:45 AM)Chas Wrote:  No one else said the government of Nazi Germany was Christian, you stupid, lying douche.

Forgive me if I found you implied such without actually stating it, since you insisted the many German Christians allowed the Nazis tyrannical reign as if 1) Hitler was majority elected to Chancellor, which he was not 2) he didn't seize ultimate power in several coups such as the night of the long knives, becoming chancellor after pressuring von Hindenburg, etc. 3) the Christians ALL stood passively by during Nazi atrocities rather than sheltering the weak 4) ...you know as well as I do the Nazis had the WEAPONS.

Christians neither elected Hitler leader nor were "happy" with his reign of terror. Perhaps we can resolve this is true, both of us, before moving to Stalin, whom Wikipedia calls an atheist. Angel

Lolwat? Then who did?
Because he was most certainly elected democratically and the vast majority of the German people were Christian, there's denial, and then there's just being fucking delusional.

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12-12-2014, 10:56 AM
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(09-12-2014 12:03 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(09-12-2014 11:59 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Forgive me if I found you implied such without actually stating it, since you insisted the many German Christians allowed the Nazis tyrannical reign as if 1) Hitler was majority elected to Chancellor, which he was not 2) he didn't seize ultimate power in several coups such as the night of the long knives, becoming chancellor after pressuring von Hindenburg, etc. 3) the Christians ALL stood passively by during Nazi atrocities rather than sheltering the weak 4) ...you know as well as I do the Nazis had the WEAPONS.

Christians neither elected Hitler leader nor were "happy" with his reign of terror. Perhaps we can resolve this is true, both of us, before moving to Stalin, whom Wikipedia calls an atheist. Angel

Keep in mind that stalin was an athiest, but he did not do it because he was an athiest. That is the problem. People havekilled in the name of christianity, but history has yet to show some one to kill in the name of atheism. You are busy trying to say hitler was christian yet it was not his christianity that caused him to be crazy, same with stalin. They did it for political reasons, not because they believe in a good or not. If we are going to talk about crazy christians I would bring up the crusades.

No. I think Stalin was an atheist and Hitler a theist, and neither was a born again Christian.

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