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13-10-2014, 04:16 PM
RE: THIS is why Christianity is the RIGHT religion
The savior notion seems to hold that all living beings prior to Jesus, including pre Judaism, must by definition of savior, be either saved (perhaps by their works) or be Hell bound.
The need of a savior, if any original testing was fair, seems to be superfluous.
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13-10-2014, 04:18 PM
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(13-10-2014 02:55 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I only very rarely see non-Christians preaching publicly.

Uh-huh. And by any chance, are you in a nation where the large majority of people are some flavor of Christian (suggesting more numbers and funds to draw preachers from), and where anyone publicly displaying or proselytizing a different faith-position is far more likely be, and in the past have been, subject to ostracism, harassment, persecution, and violence?

If you're in the US, then the answer is "yes", and I would suggest that this dynamic might have more to do with who you do and don't see preaching, than anything to do with the substance of their religious beliefs.
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13-10-2014, 05:07 PM
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Ok, we have an imaginary danger and that's worked pretty well for bringing money in, but what can we do to increase profits ?

Oh.... an imaginary savior. That's genius

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13-10-2014, 06:13 PM
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(13-10-2014 02:28 PM)LadyWallFlower Wrote:  So I was talking to a family member yesterday and she was saying the thing that sets Christianity apart from every other religion is that Christianity has a savior. Every other religion need good works- such as not sinning or following some sort of rules.

Not only is that an extremely broad statement because there are tons of religions, but I think a lot of different religions actually do believe that their god is the loving savior.

She also said the old testament is there to show that we can never be good enough without Jesus. Facepalm

So basically, god waited all those years in the old testament before he sent Jesus, caused all that chaos (to say the least), let people get brutally punished and killed for not following his law...all so that he could make a fucking point.

Oh, well now I feel silly for being an atheist.

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14-10-2014, 10:03 AM
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(13-10-2014 02:59 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  It would seem to me that if you do away with the guy who wants to throw you in the bbq pit for all time, this would be the path to salvation.

It would also seem to me that the guy bringing a bunch of murderers and rapists into heaven might not be welcome there. You might not want to follow that guy and the crowd he hangs out with.

I'm not sure if you are seeking a reply, but Luke 16 has a man in torment who is hardly in a BBQ pit. He is having a conversation with another person. He says he wants water and is thirsty, and he sees the error of his ways and asks Abraham to send witnesses to his brothers up above so they can avoid judgment. Overall, I tend to find that non-Christians constantly bring up hell because there are some downright medieval perceptions of it. The muslim hell is a REALLY bad place, though. That is a torture pit and one reason I would look askance at Islam.

As for the other thing you mentioned, Heaven is a place of forgiveness and acceptance. Whom have you raped and murdered? Likely no one, but if you say you are perfect, you remind me of all the people in prison today--they're all innocent, don't you know?

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14-10-2014, 10:04 AM
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(13-10-2014 04:18 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 02:55 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I only very rarely see non-Christians preaching publicly.

Uh-huh. And by any chance, are you in a nation where the large majority of people are some flavor of Christian (suggesting more numbers and funds to draw preachers from), and where anyone publicly displaying or proselytizing a different faith-position is far more likely be, and in the past have been, subject to ostracism, harassment, persecution, and violence?

If you're in the US, then the answer is "yes", and I would suggest that this dynamic might have more to do with who you do and don't see preaching, than anything to do with the substance of their religious beliefs.

If you have an example anywhere else in the world where one can go and watch Moslem, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. preachers please share it--and I think you have forgotten (may I respectfully remind you?) that Christians for 2,000 years have preached worldwide at peril of their lives.

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14-10-2014, 10:25 AM
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(13-10-2014 02:42 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Thanks to the wonder of salvation doctrine, good people can go to hell and bad people can go to heaven. Praise Jesus the son of a *****!

I corrected your post

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14-10-2014, 10:27 AM
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(14-10-2014 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 04:18 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  Uh-huh. And by any chance, are you in a nation where the large majority of people are some flavor of Christian (suggesting more numbers and funds to draw preachers from), and where anyone publicly displaying or proselytizing a different faith-position is far more likely be, and in the past have been, subject to ostracism, harassment, persecution, and violence?

If you're in the US, then the answer is "yes", and I would suggest that this dynamic might have more to do with who you do and don't see preaching, than anything to do with the substance of their religious beliefs.

If you have an example anywhere else in the world where one can go and watch Moslem, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. preachers please share it--and I think you have forgotten (may I respectfully remind you?) that Christians for 2,000 years have preached worldwide at peril of their lives.
As have all three of those you named, hell as have most religions in general.

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14-10-2014, 10:29 AM
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(14-10-2014 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  If you have an example anywhere else in the world where one can go and watch Moslem, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. preachers please share it

You say that like preaching is a good thing. It's not.

Quote:--and I think you have forgotten (may I respectfully remind you?) that Christians for 2,000 years have preached worldwide at peril of their lives.

Their preaching has imperiled others' lives, as in Africa today.

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14-10-2014, 10:58 AM
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(14-10-2014 10:29 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(14-10-2014 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  If you have an example anywhere else in the world where one can go and watch Moslem, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. preachers please share it

You say that like preaching is a good thing. It's not.

Quote:--and I think you have forgotten (may I respectfully remind you?) that Christians for 2,000 years have preached worldwide at peril of their lives.

Their preaching has imperiled others' lives, as in Africa today.

How so? I'd like to hear more on this. Thanks.

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