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15-01-2014, 01:46 PM
RE: TOWER OF NONSENSE
(15-01-2014 01:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(15-01-2014 01:12 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  The building of the ziggurats was a pagan practice much like idol worship. The story was telling the Hebrews to not participate in this type of worship. The Hebrews were meant to be set apart in their ways of worship and be different which meant that they were to not participate in any pagan practices.

Or it's simply a "Just So" story. Drinking Beverage

Maybe. But that doesn't follow the MO of ANE storytelling. The stories incorporated history and lessons for their respective society.

Look at any ANE story and you'll see this.

Pure fiction and "just so" literature didn't come around until much later.

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15-01-2014, 01:54 PM
RE: TOWER OF NONSENSE
(15-01-2014 01:46 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(15-01-2014 01:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  Or it's simply a "Just So" story. Drinking Beverage

Maybe. But that doesn't follow the MO of ANE storytelling. The stories incorporated history and lessons for their respective society.

Look at any ANE story and you'll see this.

Pure fiction and "just so" literature didn't come around until much later.

Of course it could be an explanation why their "Superior Chosen of God" race was unable to build these Ziggurats. It was not simply because they lacked the engineering and technical know-how it was cause God said not to. Kind of like with the Iron chariots.

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15-01-2014, 02:23 PM
RE: TOWER OF NONSENSE
(15-01-2014 01:54 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Kind of like with the Iron chariots.

Edit: never mind

wrong verses. Gotta find them.

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15-01-2014, 02:35 PM
RE: TOWER OF NONSENSE
(15-01-2014 02:23 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(15-01-2014 01:54 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Kind of like with the Iron chariots.

Edit: never mind

wrong verses. Gotta find them.

Oooh, he took out his bible - SHIT IS GETTING REAL! Big Grin

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15-01-2014, 02:42 PM
RE: TOWER OF NONSENSE
(15-01-2014 01:46 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(15-01-2014 01:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  Or it's simply a "Just So" story. Drinking Beverage

Maybe. But that doesn't follow the MO of ANE storytelling. The stories incorporated history and lessons for their respective society.

Look at any ANE story and you'll see this.

Pure fiction and "just so" literature didn't come around until much later.

Oh, stuff and nonsense. Most myths and religions are 'just so' stories. They are attempts to explain the world.

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15-01-2014, 02:43 PM
RE: TOWER OF NONSENSE
(15-01-2014 01:12 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  The building of the ziggurats was a pagan practice much like idol worship. The story was telling the Hebrews to not participate in this type of worship. The Hebrews were meant to be set apart in their ways of worship and be different which meant that they were to not participate in any pagan practices.

Odd, then, that they later hired a pagan designer to design their Jerusalem temple for them, in addition to their adoption of wholly pagan cult practices, from standing stones to altars to holy rooms to the longroom temple design to cherubim to horned altars to animal sacrifice, etc., etc., etc. There is nothing in Israelite cultic practice that is not pagan in origin. Even circumcision and aniconism were practiced elsewhere prior to the rise of the Israelite state in Syria-Palestine. Can you guess the origins of this cult stand, which incorporates an invisible deity seated between two cherubim?

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15-01-2014, 02:44 PM
RE: TOWER OF NONSENSE
(15-01-2014 02:23 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(15-01-2014 01:54 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Kind of like with the Iron chariots.

Edit: never mind

wrong verses. Gotta find them.

Ahhh ok. Here we go.

Defeat of iron chariots was promised to the House of Joseph, Ephraim, and Manasseh.
Joshua 17:16-18

Instead, the House of Judah took it. They were not promised this, so they weren't able to drive out the chariots because God didn't promise that to them. He only promised the House of Joseph, Ephraim, and Manasseh this.
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15-01-2014, 02:45 PM
RE: TOWER OF NONSENSE
(15-01-2014 01:54 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Of course it could be an explanation why their "Superior Chosen of God" race was unable to build these Ziggurats. It was not simply because they lacked the engineering and technical know-how it was cause God said not to. Kind of like with the Iron chariots.

It was an etiological myth that also asserted the impropriety of humans violating the divine/human boundaries (which was a common political theme in the Ancient Near East; cf. Adam and Eve).

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15-01-2014, 02:49 PM
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(15-01-2014 02:45 PM)maklelan Wrote:  
(15-01-2014 01:54 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Of course it could be an explanation why their "Superior Chosen of God" race was unable to build these Ziggurats. It was not simply because they lacked the engineering and technical know-how it was cause God said not to. Kind of like with the Iron chariots.

It was an etiological myth that also asserted the impropriety of humans violating the divine/human boundaries (which was a common political theme in the Ancient Near East; cf. Adam and Eve).

That's basically what I was trying to say. Thanks.

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18-01-2014, 09:41 PM (This post was last modified: 18-01-2014 09:45 PM by Tartarus Sauce.)
RE: TOWER OF NONSENSE
(15-01-2014 02:42 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(15-01-2014 01:46 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Maybe. But that doesn't follow the MO of ANE storytelling. The stories incorporated history and lessons for their respective society.

Look at any ANE story and you'll see this.

Pure fiction and "just so" literature didn't come around until much later.

Oh, stuff and nonsense. Most myths and religions are 'just so' stories. They are attempts to explain the world.

No, I think they tended to be both, actually. A majority of all mythological stories encapsulated the values, beliefs, fears, morals, and pride of the societies that constructed them in a manner more deeply rooted than simply taking the stories at face value. I wouldn't completely disregard what KC is saying here.

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