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09-11-2015, 02:54 PM
RE: Tables are aware now
my impression after reading that is



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09-11-2015, 03:11 PM
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(09-11-2015 12:17 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  A theist on a Facebook group said the following:
"I BELIEVE the universe is causal and deterministic. This implies that the universe is continuously composing every moment, and by definition it is omnipresent and omniscience. Thus, the universe is one supreme being creator that discerned every historical event and its effect on the civilization ( including the events surrounding Plato, Einstein, Jesus christ, Muhammad, even you)."

There were several back and forths but suffice it to say, the challenge was levied to the theist to demonstrate the validity of the claims implied in their statement. Namely, how does one assess that the universe is conscious or contains knowledge or is aware?

Then they produced this gem


I may have found another theist more dishonest and ignorant than Tomasia Drinking Beverage

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09-11-2015, 06:18 PM
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I'm trying to think of something to say to someone who informs me that his table is aware.

I can imagine that a table has the spirit of Elvis Presley or maybe each leg has a secret desire to start walking, but that's all in my imagination.

What if I make a claim that only part of the table is aware. I claim that only the electrons in the table are aware vs his claim that every part of the table is aware.

What steps can we take to determine if one of us is right or if both of us are wrong ?

How do we test for awareness in something that isn't alive, in something that cannot communicate with you and appears to be, at first glance, quite unaware of its surroundings.

One might ask, when did it become aware and when did you become aware of its awareness ?

If I take a leg off a table, does the leg become aware at the instant it is removed from the table ?

Lastly, as humans, our senses are quite limited and we are only aware of the world when we are conscious.
I would submit that all tables are unconscious and as such, unaware.

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09-11-2015, 06:36 PM (This post was last modified: 09-11-2015 06:40 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Tables are aware now
(09-11-2015 12:17 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  A theist on a Facebook group said the following:
"I BELIEVE the universe is causal and deterministic.

Wishful thinking. Why does he BELIEVE that? What grounds does he have to believe this? 'Cause he can't imagine no different? Don't make it sound. Think it might not be valid either as it seems to suffer from the argument from ignorance fallacy.

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09-11-2015, 09:18 PM
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So is the Periodic Table aware? Does it have free will? Could it change if it wanted to? Consider

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09-11-2015, 09:24 PM
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(09-11-2015 09:18 PM)f stop Wrote:  Does it have free will?

yes. Yes it does. ... I mean apart from the fact free will itself is the is is the biggest what the fuck you gonna do about it.

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09-11-2015, 09:30 PM
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(09-11-2015 12:17 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  A theist on a Facebook group said the following:
"I BELIEVE the universe is causal and deterministic. This implies that the universe is continuously composing every moment, and by definition it is omnipresent and omniscience. Thus, the universe is one supreme being creator that discerned every historical event and its effect on the civilization ( including the events surrounding Plato, Einstein, Jesus christ, Muhammad, even you)."

There were several back and forths but suffice it to say, the challenge was levied to the theist to demonstrate the validity of the claims implied in their statement. Namely, how does one assess that the universe is conscious or contains knowledge or is aware?

Then they produced this gem


I may have found another theist more dishonest and ignorant than Tomasia Drinking Beverage

"it is impossible for it to maintain it's form without immediate awareness of itself and it's surroundings."

Hold up a second... If the table has to be aware of it being a table in order to be a table... How'd it first know it was a table? I mean, it wouldn't have had form at that point...

My head hurts...

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09-11-2015, 10:55 PM
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(09-11-2015 09:18 PM)f stop Wrote:  So is the Periodic Table aware? Does it have free will? Could it change if it wanted to? Consider

Not only is it aware, it has impressive personal character. It has many noble parts to it. Its metal is well-tested and in many ways it exemplifies the golden rule, as well as an element of the mercurial, and deep down in it you can see that it is born to lead.
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10-11-2015, 12:26 AM
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Changed the definition of 'aware' to the point that it's meaningless. I submit that he's about as aware as his table.

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10-11-2015, 01:44 AM
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(09-11-2015 10:55 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(09-11-2015 09:18 PM)f stop Wrote:  So is the Periodic Table aware? Does it have free will? Could it change if it wanted to? Consider

Not only is it aware, it has impressive personal character. It has many noble parts to it. Its metal is well-tested and in many ways it exemplifies the golden rule, as well as an element of the mercurial, and deep down in it you can see that it is born to lead.

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